DEC

[goleafsgo]

I am really curious about this. Why is it that companies don't offer guaranteed seats to their commuters? Would it piss off those who moved to live in their base city? Is it too expensive? I hear that the commuting policy is great at Jazz anyway but wouldn't guaranteeing those commuters seats save the hassle if the commuter uses the policy and doesn't make it to base on time? Wouldn't the pool of candidates grow if you made it easier to get to work?

I am one of those looking at coming to Jazz with 4000+ hours, lots of command time,~90k/yr, home almost every night. But from the outside, it seems like Jazz would be a great place to hang your hat. Especially if things keep going fast and you can move up the list while lots of pilots leave for AC. Seems to me that long term it would offer faster climb to a great schedule with the main caveat is you sacrifice lifetime earnings. A lifestyle vs pay debate for each person to debate themselves.
And even though the pay would be a huge cut, coming from 704 to DEC at Jazz seems like a pretty big leap. I am curious what the fail rate would be and what would happen should a pilot fail their first DEC ride?

I wouldn't count on moving up the list fast, especially as a captain. Most senior guys are here til retirement. I'm 3 years in and basically no one senior to me is leave, everyone who wanted to go to AC has already gone. Now it's just junior guys going.

So at year 3 you aren't getting the schedule you want? And you don't see that imporving? How long have you been captain? You wouldn't expect retirements and AC to offer the chance at a good schedule for someone coming in now?

Sorry, I'm a 3 year FO. I do get the schedule I want as an FO. With my current seniority I'd be pretty close to the bottom if I stayed in yyz for the upgrade. Sure lots of people junior to me are getting upgrades when equipment bids are posted but I can bet most of them will be gone to AC before they even hit line indoc. Just looking through the names on the captain list of what I'm currently on I can tell you no one who would be ahead of me is leaving to AC.

[CPT.HarshColdReality]

That is correct. It is pretty easy to see who is staying and who is going to AC. The shortage has hit. Everyone upgrading who isn't half retarded will end up at AC during line indoc or soon after. Things are getting crazy. Imagine if the max was operating and people weren't so fucking scared of this corona bullshit. The only one I know comes with a lime and a big breasted Mexican sitting on my lap.Imagine what it would be like. Planes Will be parked this summer due to crew shortage.

[mmm..bacon]

Bumpity bump bump..

Some of these prognostications don't seem to have aged well, but OTOH, with AC opening the tap once more, and Flair, Porter, Lynx, etc.. following suit, anyone care to speculate about upgrade times over the course of this year, and perhaps the possibility of DEC?

[hsilgnepilot]

Bumpity bump bump..

Some of these prognostications don't seem to have aged well, but OTOH, with AC opening the tap once more, and Flair, Porter, Lynx, etc.. following suit, anyone care to speculate about upgrade times over the course of this year, and perhaps the possibility of DEC?

I wouldn’t be shocked at all to see it. Given a lot of mid/Junior FO at Jazz have no ATPL and likely haven’t flown a lot during covid.

[rudder]

Bumpity bump bump..

Some of these prognostications don't seem to have aged well, but OTOH, with AC opening the tap once more, and Flair, Porter, Lynx, etc.. following suit, anyone care to speculate about upgrade times over the course of this year, and perhaps the possibility of DEC?

Junior CA award from last bid was several hundred from the bottom of the list.

DEC in 2022? No. DEC in 2023? Would have to see at least 300+ Jazz pilots leave for AC.

Would not be surprised in the next equipment bid to see junior CA DOH 2019. But not 2020.

And yes, pilots will be able to leapfrog over senior pilots who do not have ATPL.

[hsilgnepilot]

I think we can move this post back up to the top based on Jazz latest Instagram post, does anyone have any further insight into this?

[tango308]

I think we can move this post back up to the top based on Jazz latest Instagram post, does anyone have any further insight into this?

It seems the job posting for pilot has been updated too. Likely that very few FO's are actually upgradeable due to no ATPL.
https://aviationcareers.ca/careersectio ... %2FToronto

Hiring Minimums for Direct Entry Captain is an ATPL with a preference for 705 level Pilot In Command experience as an asset.

2019 is back folks...

[digits_]

[KenoraPilot]

While the company can advertise YYZ CA Positions they are still bound by the contact and rules of seniority etc. It also sounds like the Company will have to run an early equipment bid to sort this mess out. There are no guarantees that there will be YYZ CA positions if people from other bases who are currently as Jazz want to take the positions etc. This is a hiring advertisement, but it does show that Jazz "will" be short of qualified ATPL FO's in the very near future. Highly recommend everyone write their ATPLs ASAP and those on property better think long and hard about their Standing Bids.

[Outlaw58]

While the company can advertise YYZ CA Positions they are still bound by the contact and rules of seniority etc. It also sounds like the Company will have to run an early equipment bid to sort this mess out. There are no guarantees that there will be YYZ CA positions if people from other bases who are currently as Jazz want to take the positions etc. This is a hiring advertisement, but it does show that Jazz "will" be short of qualified ATPL FO's in the very near future. Highly recommend everyone write their ATPLs ASAP and those on property better think long and hard about their Standing Bids.

This is quite correct.

Like it or not, DEC will be happening at some point. Summer? Fall? Winter? irrelevant.

As KenoraPilot pointed out, for a DEC to be awarded there needs to be an unfilled CA vacancy at the time of the seniority draw. And before that happens, a bid will need to be conducted, resulting in CA vacancies that will remain unfilled through the various backfills until the NH hire class.

It will happen at some point and by the look of things, sooner than later. So knowing that, it is not surprising that the word is out so that all potential DEC candidate can be attracted.

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[aya123]

You guys think they'll have DEC openings for YVR soon?

[Outlaw58]

You guys think they'll have DEC openings for YVR soon?

I understand the ad says YYZ, but the reality is that they can't know for sure what base and what equipment until bids/backfills are performed. Take the base with a grain of salt.

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[Transition9er2]

Sadly, I think the reality of hiring so many college applicants and signing a 60% “flow” agreement with AC is about to show all the cracks and issues with this strategy VERY soon.

I could be wrong, but it feels like a large number (not all) of junior captains will be flowing to AC in the near future if AC’s hiring projections are correct. The majority (not all) of FO’s who can hold or will be able to hold an upgrade will be flowing to AC as well and as a result the company will be left with a significant number of college hires who will all be scrambling over each other to get PICUS in order to (mostly) flow to AC.

I can see a significant staffing issue coming, and it’s not that far away. The way things have progressed in the last 6 months alone has caught everyone off guard, imagine what kind of pure craziness will exist in the next 6 months?!

Hang on everyone, sh!ts about to get crazy!

T.

[mmm..bacon]

Damn...and here am I with a fresh PFO in my hands, wondering how I stuffed up the interview so badly...

[maverick12]

Damn...and here am I with a fresh PFO in my hands, wondering how I stuffed up the interview so badly...

Sorry to hear, what kind of questions did they ask and where do you think you went wrong.

[FL030]

They had two years.

[Bede]

That is correct. It is pretty easy to see who is staying and who is going to AC. The shortage has hit. Everyone upgrading who isn't half retarded will end up at AC during line indoc or soon after. Things are getting crazy. Imagine if the max was operating and people weren't so fucking scared of this corona bullshit. The only one I know comes with a lime and a big breasted Mexican sitting on my lap.Imagine what it would be like. Planes Will be parked this summer due to crew shortage.

Best post of the thread. Dated Mar 4, 2020.

[goingmissed]

That is correct. It is pretty easy to see who is staying and who is going to AC. The shortage has hit. Everyone upgrading who isn't half retarded will end up at AC during line indoc or soon after. Things are getting crazy. Imagine if the max was operating and people weren't so fucking scared of this corona bullshit. The only one I know comes with a lime and a big breasted Mexican sitting on my lap.Imagine what it would be like. Planes Will be parked this summer due to crew shortage.

Best post of the thread. Dated Mar 4, 2020.

Yeah, sure, if you think that a comment mixed with derogatory terms and objectifying women is acceptable.

[digits_]

That is correct. It is pretty easy to see who is staying and who is going to AC. The shortage has hit. Everyone upgrading who isn't half retarded will end up at AC during line indoc or soon after. Things are getting crazy. Imagine if the max was operating and people weren't so fucking scared of this corona bullshit. The only one I know comes with a lime and a big breasted Mexican sitting on my lap.Imagine what it would be like. Planes Will be parked this summer due to crew shortage.

Best post of the thread. Dated Mar 4, 2020.

Yeah, sure, if you think that a comment mixed with derogatory terms and objectifying women is acceptable.

You're the one assuming the post is referring to a woman

[Dias]

That is correct. It is pretty easy to see who is staying and who is going to AC. The shortage has hit. Everyone upgrading who isn't half retarded will end up at AC during line indoc or soon after. Things are getting crazy. Imagine if the max was operating and people weren't so fucking scared of this corona bullshit. The only one I know comes with a lime and a big breasted Mexican sitting on my lap.Imagine what it would be like. Planes Will be parked this summer due to crew shortage.

Best post of the thread. Dated Mar 4, 2020.

There was actually a massive crew surplus.