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Inverted2 wrote: Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:42 pm Just got an email from our union. Looks like flying is now cut by 80%, not the earlier 60% so the layoffs will likely go up to 20 year employees possibly. Yikes.
This is why I hope our government chooses a solution similar to our American neighbors. It makes no sense to layoff that many employees unless this is the new norm. Otherwise the training wouldn't even be complete on the down bid, and we would have to spool things back up. I suspect travel will be down from the all time highs as people lick their wounds, and different countries open at different rates. But I suspect by the end of summer to the fall, things will be relatively normal.

People will travel again. And the deals will be great! I for one will try and cover as much of the globe as possible once partial normality returns, and others are hunkered down at home still scared to step out the door.

And I sure hope Sweden's little social experiment turns out to be right, proving to the rest of the world that we dramatically overreacted.
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Re: Layoffs

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Trudeau just announced 75% wage subsidy for all businesses that went down by 30%. That would mean Jazz......With all the ERIP I assume not pilot layoffs will happen. 75% is more then enough......

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CPT.HarshColdReality wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:44 pm Trudeau just announced 75% wage subsidy for all businesses that went down by 30%. That would mean Jazz......With all the ERIP I assume not pilot layoffs will happen. 75% is more then enough......

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I believe it said it only covers 75% of an employees wages up to a maximum of $850 a week or so. For a junior FO they wouldn't even get the maximum amount.
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Notices going out. Would've been nice to have some updates from the union this past week.
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ted_stryker wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:32 pm Notices going out. Would've been nice to have some updates from the union this past week.
Thanks for the heads up. I still haven't received one sitting about 400 from the bottom of the list.
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Ash Ketchum wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:53 pm
ted_stryker wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:32 pm Notices going out. Would've been nice to have some updates from the union this past week.
Thanks for the heads up. I still haven't received one sitting about 400 from the bottom of the list.
I'm just around 500
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Just got the guillotine as well.
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675 until July 1, 2020, no loss of pay or position until then either.
Captains will be assigned right seat duties as required until either more layoffs or a reduction bid is run, wow!
I’m still in shock how quickly we went from a shortage to massive layoffs, I hope we can recover almost as fast.
They are still working on mitigation so, that number could drop, let’s hope.
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mbav8r wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:01 pm 675 until July 1, 2020, no loss of pay or position until then either.
Captains will be assigned right seat duties as required until either more layoffs or a reduction bid is run, wow!
I’m still in shock how quickly we went from a shortage to massive layoffs, I hope we can recover almost as fast.
They are still working on mitigation so, that number could drop, let’s hope.

I guess no captains got laid off? I'm 400 from the bottom and was pleasantly surprised not to get the letter.
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Ash Ketchum wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pm
mbav8r wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:01 pm 675 until July 1, 2020, no loss of pay or position until then either.
Captains will be assigned right seat duties as required until either more layoffs or a reduction bid is run, wow!
I’m still in shock how quickly we went from a shortage to massive layoffs, I hope we can recover almost as fast.
They are still working on mitigation so, that number could drop, let’s hope.

I guess no captains got laid off? I'm 400 from the bottom and was pleasantly surprised not to get the letter.
I'm a captain and got laid off
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Ash Ketchum wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 pm
I guess no captains got laid off? I'm 400 from the bottom and was pleasantly surprised not to get the letter.
Layoffs are in reverse order of system seniority.

If you are 400 from the bottom then you are laid off.
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I think they are either doing it alphabetically or by time zone, lots of YUL guys already got the letter
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675 is roughly 1/2 of all active Jazz pilots. Not a good day but I was expecting it to be worse considering how much flying has been axed.
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January 2017 is the magic date here. I got my notice which wasn’t unexpected at all

Good luck to everyone affected by this. From my family to yours please stay safe and healthy and hope to see you in the crew rooms soon
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Got the layoff notice emailed late last night. Good luck to all.
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most junior captain is where now?
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Oxi wrote: Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:06 am most junior captain is where now?
No CA lost their seat or pay, just will be doing right seat duties. Junior Captain is Nov 2016 which is a few from the bottom of the master list
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KenoraPilot wrote: Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:54 pm
Oxi wrote: Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:06 am most junior captain is where now?
No CA lost their seat or pay, just will be doing right seat duties. Junior Captain is Nov 2016 which is a few from the bottom of the master list
To be clear... many Captains have definitely been laid off.

But for those that remain working, a position reduction bid will not be taking place for the time being.
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BleedAirValve wrote: Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:28 pm January 2017 is the magic date here. I got my notice which wasn’t unexpected at all

Good luck to everyone affected by this. From my family to yours please stay safe and healthy and hope to see you in the crew rooms soon
More layoff emails went out today. Nov 2016 was just laid off. 838 on the seniority list was the highest it went.
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