Ultimate 10-100 Biplane For Sale
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Ultimate 10-100 Biplane For Sale
Here's an ad in the for sale section.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=57445
Some pics:
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... e%2010-100
A youtube vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TwL0dz7FVQ
Any Pitts drivers have opinions on this type?
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=57445
Some pics:
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... e%2010-100
A youtube vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TwL0dz7FVQ
Any Pitts drivers have opinions on this type?
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A whole lot of unknowns would make me ultra cautious.
Hows are the wings, how is the fuse welding, what kind of shape is the engine in, how is the fabric...
Not a lot of pilots qualified to test that little beastie in Canada. You could check with the guy in Montreal (Francois Marquis) that built and operated one. He may be able to give you some advice on what to look out for etc. His was recently sold, ground looped and is now in a hanger in Oshawa in pieces unfortunately. Such is the fate of far too many little single seat Pitts types.
Peter
Hows are the wings, how is the fuse welding, what kind of shape is the engine in, how is the fabric...
Not a lot of pilots qualified to test that little beastie in Canada. You could check with the guy in Montreal (Francois Marquis) that built and operated one. He may be able to give you some advice on what to look out for etc. His was recently sold, ground looped and is now in a hanger in Oshawa in pieces unfortunately. Such is the fate of far too many little single seat Pitts types.
Peter
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My Buddy was selling this a/c you are talking about.
A/c has been sold and is heading out west.
A/c has been sold and is heading out west.
...isn't he the best pilot you've ever seen?....Yeah he is ....except when I'm shaving.........
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It looked like an O-360 in it, not a TCM O-200
It was a dynofocal mounted Lycoming anyhow.
Being dynofocal, I think precludes it being an O-235 or an O-320. Am I right?
It was a dynofocal mounted Lycoming anyhow.
Being dynofocal, I think precludes it being an O-235 or an O-320. Am I right?
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There are dynafocal 235 for certain as I have one. I think the H2AD 320 is dynafocal... cant remember for sure
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Strega,
I just did a search on it and I think you're right about the O-320 H2AD and a few others, it looks like use dynafocal mounts.
Cudos.
48
I just did a search on it and I think you're right about the O-320 H2AD and a few others, it looks like use dynafocal mounts.
Cudos.
48
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Hmm, a friend of mine built this aircraft, he never flew it, although he definitely had the skills to do so. After he finished building it, he donated it to the museum, and I thought it had the stipulation that it would NOT be sold/flown.
He is now deceased, so I find it interesting that it all of a sudden comes up for sale.
It has a io-320, ellison fuel injection, etc.
I believe it was built from drawings,(no sub assy.) and there may be something not quite right with the control cluster.
He is now deceased, so I find it interesting that it all of a sudden comes up for sale.
It has a io-320, ellison fuel injection, etc.
I believe it was built from drawings,(no sub assy.) and there may be something not quite right with the control cluster.
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It did not "lall of a sudden comes up for sale" and was never advertised for sale.mag check wrote:Hmm, a friend of mine built this aircraft, he never flew it, although he definitely had the skills to do so. After he finished building it, he donated it to the museum, and I thought it had the stipulation that it would NOT be sold/flown.
He is now deceased, so I find it interesting that it all of a sudden comes up for sale.
This Ultimate was donated to a Museum by the original builder.
If he had an agreement with that Museum. it most likely was not anything written or formal.
Unless there is something in writing, it is very hard to pin a Museum to these terms and even then I have seen many a/c or artifacts leave a Museum still even after such agreements.
All that would be between the Museum and the Estate
About two years ago,the a/c became part of a rather complicated 3 way trade and ended up being aquired by a Aircraft Collector in Ontario.
He aquired the a/c stricly as an investment/ trade item. It was then offered for sale.
As stated in other replies, the a/c has had a pre purchase inspection done by an AME and bought by an owner from the west.
It will be leaving soon.
IMHO , if the a/c is built as well as stated and it seems to be a very good job ( I have inspected it) then it should be where it was intended to be , in the air.
Thats where it is headed.
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Hedley
IMHO ...yours is very good advice for the fledgling Aerobatic and or tail wheel buyer
IMHO ...yours is very good advice for the fledgling Aerobatic and or tail wheel buyer
...isn't he the best pilot you've ever seen?....Yeah he is ....except when I'm shaving.........
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Thanks for the reply fleet16, that aircraft was I believe the 3rd aircraft that he built, along with an acroduster, that he put over 300 hrs in, and a kelly d. I knew him for 20 years, and watched that aircraft come together.fleet16b wrote:It did not "lall of a sudden comes up for sale" and was never advertised for sale.mag check wrote:Hmm, a friend of mine built this aircraft, he never flew it, although he definitely had the skills to do so. After he finished building it, he donated it to the museum, and I thought it had the stipulation that it would NOT be sold/flown.
He is now deceased, so I find it interesting that it all of a sudden comes up for sale.
This Ultimate was donated to a Museum by the original builder.
If he had an agreement with that Museum. it most likely was not anything written or formal.
Unless there is something in writing, it is very hard to pin a Museum to these terms and even then I have seen many a/c or artifacts leave a Museum still even after such agreements.
All that would be between the Museum and the Estate
About two years ago,the a/c became part of a rather complicated 3 way trade and ended up being aquired by a Aircraft Collector in Ontario.
He aquired the a/c stricly as an investment/ trade item. It was then offered for sale.
As stated in other replies, the a/c has had a pre purchase inspection done by an AME and bought by an owner from the west.
It will be leaving soon.
IMHO , if the a/c is built as well as stated and it seems to be a very good job ( I have inspected it) then it should be where it was intended to be , in the air.
Thats where it is headed.
He was a very good welder, and I think he said he was the first welder for Leavens back in the 30's.
Keep in mind that he was well in his 80's when the ultimate was built, and I'm sure his eye sight wasn't as keen as it was. I would recommend close inspection, including perhaps a sample being NDT'ed, but that's just my opinion.
The kelly d that was being built at the same time as the ulimate will never fly, as the welds and jigging are not up to par.
I have heard that the Ultimate wing is very nice to fly.
Good luck to the new owner, I hope he enjoys his new plane.
Incidentally, the Acroduster is up for sale now, single hole, 200hp, constant speed, full inverted system, very nice plane, pm for details, if there is any interest.
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Mag Check
Thanks for the info.
I'll pass the word about the Acro
Thanks for the info.
I'll pass the word about the Acro
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I'll add one more item:IMHO there are two things you skills you need to have,
to fly a Pitts (or derivative) safely:
1) gotta know how to land it
2) gotta know how to unspin it
#1 will cost you money
#2 will cost you your life
3) You gotta know how to inspect it .. very carefully!
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Hedley,
I've never spun a S1,
But i did some acro in a S2C last year, and it was conventional..
whats so special about spinning a S1?
S
I've never spun a S1,
But i did some acro in a S2C last year, and it was conventional..
whats so special about spinning a S1?
S
Rule books are paper - they will not cushion a sudden meeting of stone and metal.
— Ernest K. Gann, 'Fate is the Hunter.
— Ernest K. Gann, 'Fate is the Hunter.
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The Ultimate was packed up by it's new owners on the w/end and is on a trailer on it's way to Manitoba.
It was bought by three pilots , all in their twenties.
After talking with them , it was apparent that they takingtheir time and wanting to do things right
All three are undergoing Professional Aerobatic training in hopes of one day competeing.
They are also doing parachute training at the same time.
It is nice to see such enthusiasm.
Good luck to them all
It was bought by three pilots , all in their twenties.
After talking with them , it was apparent that they takingtheir time and wanting to do things right
All three are undergoing Professional Aerobatic training in hopes of one day competeing.
They are also doing parachute training at the same time.
It is nice to see such enthusiasm.
Good luck to them all
...isn't he the best pilot you've ever seen?....Yeah he is ....except when I'm shaving.........
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Yes I've literally done thousands of spins in s1-t. The main thing is the speed of rotation. The s2's are bigger and take time to wind up but the s1 has much less mass and it's all close to the c of g so when she goes it's quick. You can see in one of my YouTube videos where I point the camera aft and do a pos snap off a loop and that's just the first rotation speed.
The main thing is just to be calm and anslytical which is hard the first few times but is easy with some dual. It's not rocket science but can be very scary if all u have seen is a 150 spin.
Re a contest. Perhaps. New job is crazy though and I did not even make one contest this year
The main thing is just to be calm and anslytical which is hard the first few times but is easy with some dual. It's not rocket science but can be very scary if all u have seen is a 150 spin.
Re a contest. Perhaps. New job is crazy though and I did not even make one contest this year