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jane wrote:Hi everyone,

I have about 1400hrs with 460hrs of multi time (Prop driven) and currently working towards my AAs. I only have a valid IATRA as of now and no degree/diploma. No commercial experience either. What are the chances of Jazz considering someone these days with my kind of experience??

Any info/guidance on this would be awesome. Thanks!

In today's aviation situation, smaller companies would have swooped in to hire someone of your experience. have you applied with any of them? or are you ignoring those steps and get directly into jazz?

hmm.... you must be real picky..

Jane, I was hired around the same time as you but with commercial experience. It's worth a shot, but you may have to fly for a year or so at a smaller carrier. FO on a King Air would for a year would be enough I'd say to have a good shot at Jazz or another regional.

But... apply for the jobs you want not the ones you think you'll get, so I say go for it. What's the worst that can happen? They say no, and you reapply in a year once you have some commercial experience. You could walk into any right seat of a turbine with that time given the current state of jobs... you might have to leave your home though.
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I was flying with the captain who interviewed me last year. He told me that as long as you have 750 hours and some operational IFR experience, you'll pretty much be hired.

I understand that the learning curve may be steep for someone coming in with lesser experience but that's all it is. It may be tougher to learn but not impossible. Follow your SOPs and always be willing to accept new knowledge.

For the people who are hating on the low experience pilots coming in, just accept the changing conditions of the industry and encourage and motivate the new candidates coming in. It is no one's fault that there is a pilot shortage, so just ACCEPT that this is how things are and work together to keep things safe and happy.

For the new candidates getting the opportunity to work for a 705 with low experience, appreciate it and enjoy the experience. When things come easy, it's hard to not get a sense of entitlement. Stay humble.

Good luck to everyone.
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flymore wrote: For the people who are hating on the low experience pilots coming in, just accept the changing conditions of the industry and encourage and motivate the new candidates coming in. It is no one's fault that there is a pilot shortage, so just ACCEPT that this is how things are and work together to keep things safe and happy.
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It is the way it is. If I had 200 hours and got offered Jazz of course I would take it. Anyone would. Would I trade my experience and fun I had in the north for it? Not a chance.
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Rupert_Pupkin wrote:It is the way it is. If I had 200 hours and got offered Jazz of course I would take it. Anyone would. Would I trade my experience and fun I had in the north for it? Not a chance.
That's my thinking as well. If I at the time was offered a job at 200-500 hours I would have taken it. But looking back at the experience I gained flying in 703 and the fun times had, I wouldn't trade it. Plus, it most definitely helped once I started flying at a 705.
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Just ran into a Sim guy and he said last month they did Sim Evals on guys with 750 & 790TT.......so they are going lower and lower on requirements.
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KenoraPilot wrote:Just ran into a Sim guy and he said last month they did Sim Evals on guys with 750 & 790TT.......so they are going lower and lower on requirements.
I know a number of 1000ish pilots who have been offered and had interviews, and one that was around 850TT. Seems that's the way things are going. And honestly, I'm happy for anyone who gets the call and wish them good luck.
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KenoraPilot wrote:Just ran into a Sim guy and he said last month they did Sim Evals on guys with 750 & 790TT.......so they are going lower and lower on requirements.
I know a number of 1000ish pilots who have been offered and had interviews, and one that was around 850TT. Seems that's the way things are going. And honestly, I'm happy for anyone who gets the call and wish them good luck.
While I too am happy for those pilots, I am a little concerned by the experience levels coming here. I hope for their sake, they have the PIC time required for the atpl. With the rate upgrades are coming, where does the company think we are going to get captains when these folks can't even hold an atpl?

I hope all these folks have a plan to get the time required for the atpl. I wouldn't rely on PICUS to get them any closer to it.

Perhaps that is the plan though. These guys won't be able to upgrade and they won't be able to go over to AC for quite a while. Maybe it is a way to keep some FOs around.

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Black_Tusk wrote:
KenoraPilot wrote:Just ran into a Sim guy and he said last month they did Sim Evals on guys with 750 & 790TT.......so they are going lower and lower on requirements.
I know a number of 1000ish pilots who have been offered and had interviews, and one that was around 850TT. Seems that's the way things are going. And honestly, I'm happy for anyone who gets the call and wish them good luck.
While I too am happy for those pilots, I am a little concerned by the experience levels coming here. I hope for their sake, they have the PIC time required for the atpl. With the rate upgrades are coming, where does the company think we are going to get captains when these folks can't even hold an atpl?

I hope all these folks have a plan to get the time required for the atpl. I wouldn't rely on PICUS to get them any closer to it.

Perhaps that is the plan though. These guys won't be able to upgrade and they won't be able to go over to AC for quite a while. Maybe it is a way to keep some FOs around.

Interesting times ...

Each person I know that had an interview that low for TT had well over the 250PIC (most of them had MPIC) and the ATPL exams done.

It's also not just the upgrade, but AC right now requires (as per the last PML) 2000TT and an ATPL. So that's a good two years ish for a sub 1000 hour FO. If they can make it through the training at Jazz I would be happy to fly with any of them.
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Hi,

How about having some single engine turbine IFR (caravan) as a first officer, do they still require that multi turbine 2 crew environment or single turbine is fine?

Thanks !
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radio wrote:Hi,

How about having some single engine turbine IFR (caravan) as a first officer, do they still require that multi turbine 2 crew environment or single turbine is fine?

Thanks !
250 multi is the new hard minimum.... used to be 500
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Each person I know that had an interview that low for TT had well over the 250PIC (most of them had MPIC) and the ATPL exams done.

It's also not just the upgrade, but AC right now requires (as per the last PML) 2000TT and an ATPL. So that's a good two years ish for a sub 1000 hour FO. If they can make it through the training at Jazz I would be happy to fly with any of them.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem going out to fly with these folks, I just question the direction we are moving with regards to recruitment. Perhaps it is an indication that the current offer isn't enough to entice more experienced drivers to join us.

Either way, good luck to everyone. It is a very good spot to be.
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Just heard a guy this week get a call from jazz just under 700 TT and 200mpic. I think at this point if you can fly a 705 machine and have multi/multi crew time you stand a reasonable chance at getting a call.
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flymore wrote:I was flying with the captain who interviewed me last year. He told me that as long as you have 750 hours and some operational IFR experience, you'll pretty much be hired.

I understand that the learning curve may be steep for someone coming in with lesser experience but that's all it is. It may be tougher to learn but not impossible. Follow your SOPs and always be willing to accept new knowledge.

For the people who are hating on the low experience pilots coming in, just accept the changing conditions of the industry and encourage and motivate the new candidates coming in. It is no one's fault that there is a pilot shortage, so just ACCEPT that this is how things are and work together to keep things safe and happy.

For the new candidates getting the opportunity to work for a 705 with low experience, appreciate it and enjoy the experience. When things come easy, it's hard to not get a sense of entitlement. Stay humble.

Good luck to everyone.
Thank you for your support to low timers. You seem to have a great personality, that is also very important. Fly safe!
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At the end of the day, lack of experience we can cover with training. Beeing involved in training on the classic, I can say pretty much everybody gets reasonably confortable after a few pairings. If you have under 1500 TT, I would say, aim for that equipment and we'll have some fun. Because, it's your attitude toward this job and the way you make every collegue aroud you feel joyfull and relax that makes the difference. Good luck to everyone, looking foward to work with you if you fit that description.
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FL-280 wrote:
radio wrote:Hi,

How about having some single engine turbine IFR (caravan) as a first officer, do they still require that multi turbine 2 crew environment or single turbine is fine?

Thanks !
250 multi is the new hard minimum.... used to be 500
Just to clarify that's PIC. Not just right seat multi time.
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I'm not sure I've read anything here where more experienced pilots are 'hating' low time pilots getting hired at Jazz, and I can't speak to what is being said on the line. For those of us that have been flying for a few decades, reading about pilots getting hired into 705 positions with hundreds of hours is pretty incredible. I'm not a big fan of the word entitlement, but when there are pilots who think Jazz should be jumping at the opportunity to hire them when they don't even hold an ATPL...well, it's hard to find a more appropriate descriptor.

I certainly agree that attitude is everything, that applies to everyone, senior/junior, high time/low time, etc. Just for discussions' sake though, I don't think atitude replaces experience. Reading some of the above posts, I can't help but get the impression that being an FO is regarded as an apprenticeship position, I'm sorry, it isn't. All the people skills that that Human Resources Departments love, aren't always appropriate for flight operations. Radiocaster, I certainly don't think it's my job to make all my colleagues joyful and relaxed, sometimes we have to say 'No', even if it hurts someone's feelings. That applies to First Officers too, something they aren't likely to do without the benefit of experience.

As the saying goes, good judgement comes for experience, experience come from bad judgment. My opinion is that the 705 carriers in Canada aren't hiring pilots with an enough experience.
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Black_Tusk wrote:
FL-280 wrote:
radio wrote:Hi,

How about having some single engine turbine IFR (caravan) as a first officer, do they still require that multi turbine 2 crew environment or single turbine is fine?

Thanks !
250 multi is the new hard minimum.... used to be 500
Just to clarify that's PIC. Not just right seat multi time.
Doesn't seem to matter, I've seen both. Lots of guys with no pic at all, nevermind mpic, going to Jazz. As long as it is multi time. Even that I expect will change soon, PC12 guys might be in luck.

As far as TheStig's comments, Jazz certainly isn't the same company as it was 3, 5 or 10 years ago. Can't argue that they have the lowest hiring standards of any 705 regional in Canada. The others are typically 1500+ and usually an ATPL.
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goingnowherefast wrote:
Black_Tusk wrote:
FL-280 wrote:
250 multi is the new hard minimum.... used to be 500
Just to clarify that's PIC. Not just right seat multi time.
Doesn't seem to matter, I've seen both. Lots of guys with no pic at all, nevermind mpic, going to Jazz. As long as it is multi time. Even that I expect will change soon, PC12 guys might be in luck.

As far as TheStig's comments, Jazz certainly isn't the same company as it was 3, 5 or 10 years ago. Can't argue that they have the lowest hiring standards of any 705 regional in Canada. The others are typically 1500+ and usually an ATPL.
Yes you are correct. There were a number of people in my groundschool who did not have PIC time but those pilots had well over 1500 hours. I am not that familiar with many people getting interviews with sub 1000 hours and no PIC time though. Do you know any?
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I know several. One was hired with 800tt and no pic time outside of cpl requirements. Several others have interviewed with less than 1000tt and no pic.

The cutoff seems to be some multi time in either seat from commercial operations. Doing well in the interview and sim eval of course too.
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