Still confused with the new instruments renewal requirements
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Still confused with the new instruments renewal requirements
Hi,
I was not able to find the answer, even using the search feature. Could someone confirm that I understood the instruments renewal requirement please?
1) After the initial rating or any IPC, you are good for a full 12 months without any other requirements.
2) After 12 months, you need to comply with the 6 approach, 6 hours in the last 6 months.
3) If your rating expired for more than 24 months, your only option is a new flight test in an actual plane, but the INRAT is valid forever.
Am I right? Am I missing anything?
Thank you so much
I was not able to find the answer, even using the search feature. Could someone confirm that I understood the instruments renewal requirement please?
1) After the initial rating or any IPC, you are good for a full 12 months without any other requirements.
2) After 12 months, you need to comply with the 6 approach, 6 hours in the last 6 months.
3) If your rating expired for more than 24 months, your only option is a new flight test in an actual plane, but the INRAT is valid forever.
Am I right? Am I missing anything?
Thank you so much
Re: Still confused with the new instruments renewal requirements
3 is not correct. You can do an IPC, at any time, which is not that different to a new flight test.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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Thank you for the clear answer!
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No problem.
I hope it's the right answer.
I hope it's the right answer.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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Re: Still confused with the new instruments renewal requirements
My understanding is the IPC may be done in an approved simulator, or the Redbird until January 1, 2018. It doesn't have to be in an actual airplane. Please if I am wrong let me know as I am prepping now to get my IFR current/valid and have been planning on the Redbird scenario. If I have to do it in an actual aircraft my cost go up significantly.
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Re: Still confused with the new instruments renewal requirements
Where did you got that thing about January 1st?
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Post subject: Redbird Sim, IPCs and RNAV Approaches
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You are not wrong.Addicted4life wrote: Please if I am wrong let me know
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Thank you Aviatard.
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I thought I might have missed something in all my research getting ready for my IPC. A lot has changed since I last did my INRAT and subsequent rides. So far I have nothing bad too say about pilotraining.ca and their online ground schools. For an old dog they are proving to be a great refresher. I may not have to write the INRAT again but I felt I had better study and train like I do. Same for the IPC.
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Re: Still confused with the new instruments renewal requirements
From what I remember doing the INRAT:charles2690 wrote:Hi,
I was not able to find the answer, even using the search feature. Could someone confirm that I understood the instruments renewal requirement please?
1) After the initial rating or any IPC, you are good for a full 12 months without any other requirements.
2) After 12 months, you need to comply with the 6 approach, 6 hours in the last 6 months.
3) If your rating expired for more than 24 months, your only option is a new flight test in an actual plane, but the INRAT is valid forever.
Am I right? Am I missing anything?
Thank you so much
Your instrument rating is valid for 24 months - to renew, you could either do a flight evaluation (almost like a flight test) or sim evaluation (full motion sim like redbird). However, to keep your rating current, you need 6 hours with 6 approaches to minimums in the preceding 6 months. So if you haven't flown IFR in the last 6 months at all or only done 0-5.9 hrs of it, you need to head back in the sim or aircraft with an instructor to get your currency back. I don't remember reading that you're good for the first 12 months without doing anything. The 6-6-6 rule applies after initial flight test up until next renewal, and then you do it all over again.
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Not quite.
To meet the recency requirement to exercise the privileges of you IR, you must have done an instrument flight test or instrument proficiency test (or similar) in the last 12 months, or the last 24 months AND meet the 6-6-6 rule.
Instrument ratings no longer expire, so the rule above is good, regardless of when you last flew on intruments or passed your last or initial test ride or currency check. You never have to write the INRAT again.
To meet the recency requirement to exercise the privileges of you IR, you must have done an instrument flight test or instrument proficiency test (or similar) in the last 12 months, or the last 24 months AND meet the 6-6-6 rule.
Instrument ratings no longer expire, so the rule above is good, regardless of when you last flew on intruments or passed your last or initial test ride or currency check. You never have to write the INRAT again.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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Additional questions on this topic:
If your currency lapses (6/6/6) do you have to go foggle flying with an instructor as MrAviator19 says above? Can't you log hood time with a pilot friend who is not an instructor?
To log an instrument approach it has to be "to minimums": Everyone seems to have a different interpretation on this: does it have to be in instrument conditions? That would mean breaking out at 201 feet on an ils wouldn't count nor would an approach in vfr. I've been playing it safe and only logging hood time approaches to minimums while relying on my pilot friends to watch put for traffic.
Signed Mr Cautious , but very popular with my pilot friends.
If your currency lapses (6/6/6) do you have to go foggle flying with an instructor as MrAviator19 says above? Can't you log hood time with a pilot friend who is not an instructor?
To log an instrument approach it has to be "to minimums": Everyone seems to have a different interpretation on this: does it have to be in instrument conditions? That would mean breaking out at 201 feet on an ils wouldn't count nor would an approach in vfr. I've been playing it safe and only logging hood time approaches to minimums while relying on my pilot friends to watch put for traffic.
Signed Mr Cautious , but very popular with my pilot friends.
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CARS 401.05(3)b says:
... or in a flight training device under the supervision of a person who holds the qualifications referred to in subsection 425.21(9) of the Personnel Licensing and Training Standards respecting Flight Training;
So, only if you're using a flight training device are you required to be under the supervision of an instructor, OR a commercial or ATPL with 500 PIC hours and 100 hours on the aircraft group, and in the case of a multi-engine aircraft, 10 hours on type.
If you are using an aircraft, you do not have to have an instructor on board.
If you're under VFR it would be wise to have a safety person on board, otherwise who is looking outside for traffic? ATC is not obligated to separate you from other traffic, although the vast majority of the time they do a great job of it.
CARS 602.01 says:
602.01 No person shall operate an aircraft in such a reckless or negligent manner as to endanger or be likely to endanger the life or property of any person.
CARS 401.05(3)b says:
... within the six months preceding the flight, acquired six hours of instrument time and completed six instrument approaches to the minima specified in the Canada Air Pilot in an aircraft, in actual or simulated instrument meteorological conditions,
Simulated instrument meteorological conditions means foggles would do. You just have to fly that ILS down to minimums before breaking it off. It doesn't matter where the cloud bases were.
It's not well defined what happens in the case where you're in actual conditions, without foggles, and you break out of cloud before reaching minumums. A reasonable assumption would be that approach would still count, but reason doesn't necessarily apply to the CARS.
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If you are in an aircraft with no instructor on board who is to say you were "under the hood" or not? So would that even count?, only if you're using a flight training device are you required to be under the supervision of an instructor, OR a commercial or ATPL with 500 PIC hours and 100 hours on the aircraft group, and in the case of a multi-engine aircraft, 10 hours on type.
If you are using an aircraft, you do not have to have an instructor on board.
If you're under VFR it would be wise to have a safety person on board, otherwise who is looking outside for traffic? ATC is not obligated to separate you from other traffic, although the vast majority of the time they do a great job of it.
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You are.
Yes.So would that even count?
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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Where does it say you even need a hood?
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It says “simulated instrument time”. Yes, we know you have a fancy head-up display that you wouldn’t be able to see if you wore a hood.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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Do you have to have a hood to count simulated instrument time?
Going for the deck at corner
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That's what I'm wondering. If you do require hood/ foggles then you would think an instructor to "validate" the approaches/ be safety lookout would be require. However, if no instructor is required and I'm not dumb enough to foggle up solo and just fly 6 instrument approaches in vmc to minimums what's the point of even having the requirement? Other than maybe the 6 hours instrument flight nullifies the whole 6 approaches vmc cause your still need legit ifr flight time? I'm happy I never have to write an inrat again, but it feels like they went about this in the dumbest way (havent flown in a few years and had no idea that the ifr had changed)