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Victory wrote:Encore may choose not to unionize now that Swoop is on the table. Mainline might just be left out in the cold, mumbling about list bottoms that no longer matter.
You can stop with the threats. The negotiating committee has already taken the stance (as per the pilot survey) that ALL Westjet flying be done by pilots on the WPDL. Furthermore, the company has stated they want to work with the pilots on this (Swoop) and have pilots in the WPDL flying it. Therefore, no BOTL bullshit. This BOTL bullshit was started by a minority. I say minority because the survey clearly identified that the MAJORITY wants all WJ flying done by pilots in the WPDL.

There you go, just as we promised we are trying to protect the one list with our dying breath. Now go and sign a card already and stop with the threats.
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I think it's pretty safe to say Victory doesn't work at Encore.

Of all the Encore folks that I've spoken with, none are interested in going to Swoop unless it's for mainline rates and/or directly negotiated with WJ as a position bid.
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Working for less wages is a sacrifice that can pay off big time in the future so it is not the most pressing issue. Getting in on day one and reaping the rewards when the company expands is what matters the most.
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Victory wrote:Working for less wages is a sacrifice that can pay off big time in the future so it is not the most pressing issue. Getting in on day one and reaping the rewards when the company expands is what matters the most.
Thanks Confucius. That's a great quote from a Fortune Cookie. I do note that it has nothing to do with the topic of an Encore ALPA card drive.

An appropriate quote in this situation is often attributed to Mark Twain: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"
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Thanks Confucius.
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Victory wrote:Working for less wages is a sacrifice that can pay off big time in the future so it is not the most pressing issue. Getting in on day one and reaping the rewards when the company expands is what matters the most.

LOL
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Victory wrote:Working for less wages is a sacrifice that can pay off big time in the future so it is not the most pressing issue. Getting in on day one and reaping the rewards when the company expands is what matters the most.
Saretsky? Is that you? :rolleyes:
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Rowdy wrote:
Victory wrote:Working for less wages is a sacrifice that can pay off big time in the future so it is not the most pressing issue. Getting in on day one and reaping the rewards when the company expands is what matters the most.
Saretsky? Is that you? :rolleyes:
It' NOT the employee's that reap the rewards. It's MANAGEMENT.
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JBI wrote: Thanks Confucius. That's a great quote from a Fortune Cookie.
LMAO :smt040 :lol:
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When can Encore pilots express interest in Swoop? Has anyone been contacted?
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Jimmy2 wrote:When can Encore pilots express interest in Swoop? Has anyone been contacted?
The day they don't have an interest in getting on the mainline.
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If you have a seniority number on the list you could potentially take a LOA and fly the 737 at Swoop. Maybe even become Captain relatively quickly. Then when you have enough seniority at mainline to hold the left seat, switch back.
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Jimmy2 wrote:If you have a seniority number on the list you could potentially take a LOA and fly the 737 at Swoop. Maybe even become Captain relatively quickly. Then when you have enough seniority at mainline to hold the left seat, switch back.
I can guarantee that if it is below what the 37 drivers are currently getting, or diffferent from what they are trying to negotiate than returning may not be so easy. You can bet your bottom dollar that if anyone takes a position that they (37 drivers) don't like, they will certainly make you go BOTL.
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Jimmy2 wrote:If you have a seniority number on the list you could potentially take a LOA and fly the 737 at Swoop. Maybe even become Captain relatively quickly. Then when you have enough seniority at mainline to hold the left seat, switch back.
That's a lot of ifs and maybes.

I'm trying to figure out if you're trolling, have an overactive imagination or are just innocently misinformed. As it stands right now, there is no clause to allow pilots to take an LOA from either WJ or Encore and go fly for Swoop. LOAs at WJ, generally, are very limited. There is/was a provision for WJ pilots to fly for Encore and not lose their seniority but that was previously negotiated between the pilots and the company (and I stand to be corrected, but I don't think a single WJ pilot took that route). Also, as it stands right now, there has been no information about WJ's proposed wages & working conditions at Swoop. The only place I've heard "65%" mentioned is this message board - so it must true :roll:

Negotiations between ALPA and WJ are ongoing. So, you can proselytize all you want about how you think seniority and LOAs will work, but until the negotiations are complete, no one really knows how it will work out.

It is entirely possible that the agreement will have provisions that either make Swoop a position bid (similar to Rouge at AC - though I'm not suggesting the purpose of Swoop and Rouge is the same thing) or do have provisions on how seniority will, or will not, carry over between it and mainline. I think what is fair to say is that if WJ does not offer fair wages and working conditions for flying Swoop 737s, ALPA will negotiate very restrictive movement, seniority and scope clauses so that unlike at Encore, moving/flowing to WestJet mainline is not an enticement for pilots to join Swoop.
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http://www.alpa.org/news-and-events/new ... -join-alpa

Looks like the drive was successful.
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Jazz, Encore and Georgian all now ALPA. Hopefully regional pilots everywhere will see improvements soon.
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Good luck to Encore pilots. We are all in solidarity.
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Good news! Congrats chaps.
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Certified. 8)
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