log'n time

XLR8 · Post by **XLR8** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 3:37 pm

I have a buddy that I fly with in his plane on the weekends. When we fly I usually do most of the flying or we split the flying , he does on leg and then I do the other. How can I log the time? We fly just for fun, but I'm going to get my CPL soon. And I would like to know how to log the flight time so that I can buil up the hours.
Thanks

festivus · Post by **festivus** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 3:45 pm

I'm going to take a guess that you're flying something like a 172, in which case unless your friend allows you to sign the log as PIC you won't be able to log any of the time. Unless of course one of you has an instructor rating and are doing instrument training, then one of you could log PIC and the other could log dual. I think that's the only way you could do it however I could be wrong.

crosscontrol · Post by **crosscontrol** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 4:01 pm

To log the trip, or a portion of the trip, you must be pic and it must say so in the journey log. Depending on your pals insurance you may have to be registered on the plane.

Right Seat Captain · Post by **Right Seat Captain** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 6:30 pm

Does anybody have the CARs reference that says the PIC must sign the Journey Log? I've heard many people say that this must be done, but I am in the belief that this is false... I was under the impression it is the owner of the aircraft that must sign the logbook...

ahramin · Post by **ahramin** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 6:31 pm

If one of you has a PPL and the other has a CPL or ATPL and there is some sort of checkout or training going on (mountain checkout or grass field or anything else you can think of) then the PPL can log dual and the CPL log PIC. The trick here is that you have to be reasonable. If you log 20 hours of training you better have a damn good story of what was accomplished to back it up. Back in the day i seem to remember that up to 3 hours of dual type checkouts could be counted towards your dual requirement for the CPL as well.

In addition, if the CPL has an instrument rating and 500 hours PIC - of which 100 hours has to be on the aircraft group - then the PPL can log it as dual instrument time (which will count towards your instrument rating) and the CPL logs it as PIC.

Again the big key here is to write down in your log book what you accomplished and be reasonable.

In addition, there is no requirement for the PIC to sign the logbook. But the names of the crew members should appear in each entry. The entry and signature has to be made by the PIC or their delegate (think back to when you did your private. Who signed the logbook?)

ahramin

Right Seat Captain · Post by **Right Seat Captain** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 6:35 pm

TC would probably eventually sense the shadiness behind that scheme...if you do decide to go with what ahramin suggested, be absolutely sure you state in your logbook what training you were 'doing'. And as ahramin said, don't overdo it...you'd probably be limited to 5 hours.