Dear Mr. President

Ender · Post by **Ender** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:22 pm

Wow. I really can't believe some of the ignorant bullshit that comes out in these threads.

hz2p and Dust Devil: You two really are a couple of the most globally uneducated morons I've ever come across. My guess is that you're both newly into your twenties and still have a lot of learning to do.

Read a newspaper or two, guys. Cover to cover. (Not the Sun or the Enquirer, by the way.) Or, if that's too much of a mental strain for you, how about watching "The News Hour, with Jim Lehrer" on PBS, every night for one week. Perhaps you could catch the next episode of Frontline (season starts on October 4th), or Now. You may be interested in what you discover. And please - save the cries of Lehrer and PBS being "liberal". It's quite possible that many of you wouldn't recognize unbiased TV news reporting if it punched you in the face. How could you? There's almost none out there.

By the way; if "The News Hour" is too heavy for you, perhaps you could dip your toes in with "The National" on CBC. It would be a start, anyway.

So, try these remedies and get back to me in a week. Seriously, save your idiotic responses until you've educated yourselves a little better.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:29 pm

I'm sorry, but did you just state that there was such a thing as unbiased media? Especially American media! I would take any report with a grain of salt.

hazatude · Post by **hazatude** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:35 pm

So you actually think that GWB woke up and saw the devastation in NO and said to his aides, "@#$! those people. They're only poor blacks"?

Do you actually think that how this went down?

hz2p · Post by **hz2p** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:36 pm

Bad news, Ender: The Iron Curtain fell. This whole "communist" thing just isn't working out, unless you count North Korea and Cuba as successes. Yeah, they're working out really well.

It's tough being left-wing, isn't it, Ender?

LostinRotation · Post by **LostinRotation** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:56 pm

Dust Devil wrote: If you don't think it's a black and white issue then I invite you to take a holiday in a middle eastern country other than isreal and see how long you last.

Finally all the false intel in the world doesn't make a lick of differece. Fact is terrorists destroyed the WTC, and commited numerous other attacks that people seem to forget about. All this planned prior to Bush. The war is on the only way to fight a war is to win it. Canada's position in all this reminds me of France in WW2 mabey if we just sit here and do nothing they will leave us alone.

Exit Righty
Enter Lefties

Wow....you want to know how long you'll last....just ask some of the people that have lived there...I'm sure you can find a few on the forums right here.....If your not a complete retard and follow other peoples customs and show a little respect you tend not to have any problems....If you want to see problems....go walk or drive around in Kingston Jamaica after dark if you think the ME is bad. Respect or not, your ass is dead.

False intel doesn't make a difference to you because you don't care about facts....but you sift through the crap and still believe what these same people tell you....anything else, even documented from a former worker of the American Interior is a conspiracy theory created by those " Anti-American lefties "

Your so morally bankrupt you would rather believe what you know to be a lie, than have to face the fact you've been lied to for years and made the fool. You attempt to discredit news and current events/findings so that people like yourself find it easier to swallow B.S....Discredit guys like MM...call him a fatty...talk about him going to a " fat camp ". It has nothing to do with what he's saying, but we're affraid he'll shatter our perfect little glass world so try to discredit him anyway possible ! Just don't listen with an open mind for God's sake ! People are dying on both sides for the almighty dollar and it's easier for you to defend your politicians that feed you these farm loads of manure, than have to deal with real world problems. Close your eyes real tight, throw more guns at a problem and kill enough people until the issue goes away (for now)...as long as you don't have to get your hands dirty or see the real problems...it's all good.

Oh and if you want to talk about planned, the logistics for a war with Iraq were drawn up by Bush's people well before anything happened.

" Fact is terrorists destroyed the WTC, and commited numerous other attacks that people seem to forget about. All this planned prior to Bush. The war is on the only way to fight a war is to win it."

Hey there...big guy....secret to share with you....IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WTC.....YOU WERE MISLEAD ! If you don't think you were lied to...then why do you still bring up terrorists and Iraq together in defence of the war in Iraq ?!

...and what does " The war is on the only way to fight a war is to win it " mean. Sounds like you have a few different entities there you kinda mashed together to form something different from the sum of it's parts....Wow, now your even talking like the people you know are lying to you....Enter the mould, get back into the Matrix....the truth sucks and hiding from it is so much easier !

and if you take nothing from this post...after numerous posts it's " Maybe " not " Mabey " ....atleast then we'll know you haven't lost the ability to learn yet.

Exit whatever label you want to use today

...Enter a beer...

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LostinRotation · Post by **LostinRotation** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:08 pm

hz2p wrote:Bad news, Ender: The Iron Curtain fell. This whole "communist" thing just isn't working out, unless you count North Korea and Cuba as successes. Yeah, they're working out really well.

It's tough being left-wing, isn't it, Ender?

How does this have anything to do with communism ?!
Is this another attempt to talk about things that are so far off topic people forget about the main issue ?

Is this the Chewbacca defence ?

" But ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider: Ladies and gentlemen this [pointing to a picture of Chewbacca] is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk, but Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now, think about that. THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE! (Background: Damnit! What? He's using the Chewbacca defense!) Why would a Wookiee—an eight foot tall Wookiee—want to live on Endor with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! "

Hz2p, stick to your posts on beer and $1000.oo...that made sense. Then again it was probably cut and pasted.

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LH · Post by LH » Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:58 pm

Personally, I have no argument with Michael Moore's letter becayse he tells the truth. The only problem that I have with Michael Moore is that, "Yes" he tells the truth AS FAR AS HE GOES. Unfortunately, like a lot in media he "tells only PART of the story and again, it's true as far as it goes, but if it went further it would give an entire different complexion on the story or event. So therefore, can one call Michael Moore a liar....."No"....not at all because he is most truthful. He can't even be charged for libel because he is stating the truth. Michael Moore's danger and those like him in media is the "partial reporting" that they engage in, only he has a bigger stage than some ladies around a bridge table on a Sunday afternoon.

So if someone is going to research ALL of what they hear or see Michael Moore speaks, writes or films, they soon realize that he too has his own agenda for some reason, but at this point in time I'm still not able to understand what it is.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:58 pm

I'm sorry, but did you just state that there was such a thing as unbiased media? Especially American media! I would take any report with a grain of salt.

Bad news, Ender: The Iron Curtain fell. This whole "communist" thing just isn't working out, unless you count North Korea and Cuba as successes. Yeah, they're working out really well.

It's tough being left-wing, isn't it, Ender?

Kids, please. At least do us all a favour and take your prescription. It's what Doctor Ender ordered. Go away, watch The News Hour every day for one week, catch one episode of Frontline and one episode of Now, and then get back to me. Do me that one favour and I'll gladly listen to everything you have to say. You seem to have no idea as to how simple-minded and ignorant you sound. Yes, this is an aviation forum (and God knows there aren't that many intellectuals in aviation), but you guys really take the cake. Talk to you in a week.

Hazatude:

So you actually think that GWB woke up and saw the devastation in NO and said to his aides, "@#$! those people. They're only poor blacks"?

Do you actually think that how this went down?

I don't presume to know what goes on in that man's inept little mind. I do know that they had significant prior knowledge of the vulnerability of the levee system, and that they definitely had ample warning and time to get people out. All I can say is that it was handled disgracefully, and I don't mean by "Brownie". He is simply a scapegoat. At best, GW displayed his typical ineptitude with difficult and desperate situations. The term "Criminal Negligence" comes to mind. Funny how the Canadian offers of help were initially refused, and how it took FIVE DAYS to mobilize a military force that is supposed to be ready to respond on a moment's notice... One question: WHY?

I'm just saying...

By the way, I really feel that maybe you as well should take a dose of Dr. Ender's fix-you-up-in-a-jiffy elixir. It'll do you some good. Maybe add some shine to that bald head of yours.

On a side-but-actually-related-note, I do have to question the judgment of a lad that willingly posts his picture in any forum. Be careful what you post; it may come back to haunt you...

(edited 3 times for lack of quotation skills)

Ender · Post by **Ender** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:00 pm

LH:

Well put.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:00 pm

LH:

Well put.

(Sorry for the doulbe post)

LH · Post by LH » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:16 pm

George W. Bush deserves "his just reward" for all this, but I'm not about to "let-off the hook" the other 500+ members of Congress, the LA and MS State Govenors and their hierarchy.......nor the local officials. They ALL share the blame for this, but many will escape that blame because everyone is "dumping this all at George Bush's feet' and keeping the focus on him. "Yes", he's Chairman of The Board, but the CEO of any Corporation cannot do it all and he knows it. He therefore surrounds himself with many others who have expertise in certain disciplines and accords them the powers and good salaries to make things happen without checking back with him on every item. If they had to, then any corporation or government would be "hamstrug" and not function at all. As stated already, George Bush deserves his fair share of blame, but a scant amount on the inaction side because he had other well-paid and experienced people who had the powers and knowledge to act without a "boo" from him. My fear and that of some notable folks is that people like the Head of FEMA will "pay the price", with the idea that when he does, that will satisfy those "looking for a pound of flesh" and the many others responsible will keep their positions and narry a word will be heard about them. It chokes me to say this in defence of Bush, but that would be blatantly unfair to any President and a travesty of justice.

shitdisturber · Post by **shitdisturber** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:08 pm

LostinRotation wrote: Why would a Wookiee—an eight foot tall Wookiee—want to live on Endor with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! "

To be a big fish in a small pond of course.

shitdisturber · Post by **shitdisturber** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:17 pm

I find it rather appalling that they can send thousands of troops half way around the world on short notice to kill Iraqi's but with two weeks warning; and that's roughly how much time it took for Isabelle to wreak havoc from the time of formation, they can't mobilize enough people or hardware to save thousands of their own people! Granted no one knew, at the time of it's formation, how bad that one was going to be but they knew for at least a week that it was a killer, and did nothing. Then waited for days doing more nothing while more people died.

Every last one of them from Dubya on down should be facing charges. Unfortunately it'll never happen. They used to call Mulroney "Teflon man", he had nothing on these guys.

LH · Post by LH » Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:27 pm

......and the troops were into the disaster area speedily once they were notified......but someone gotta give that "notice"....short or long. The Pentagon can't move those troops without orders to do so and they sat awaiting those orders. Nothing would have happened as quick as it did if one Lt. Col. Honore wouldn't have been onsite and spoken-up and told it like it was. He's one of the heros of this thing and the one who lit a fire under FEMA's ass. It may well cost him his career because he didn't mince words and told it exactly like it was and sprayed verbal shit at his Commander-In-Chief, FEMA and a whole bunch of others. Love a soldier with balls.

shitdisturber · Post by **shitdisturber** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:33 pm

LH wrote: It may well cost him his career because he didn't mince words and told it exactly like it was and sprayed verbal shit at his Commander-In-Chief, FEMA and a whole bunch of others. Love a soldier with balls.

"May well cost him his career"? I love the understatement LH. You know as well as I do that his career is more over than mine is; and I got out years ago.

LH · Post by LH » Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:35 am

Considering his age and the fact that there are more "Light Colonels" and "Full Colonels" in the American military than God could count, he's probably not too upset. Undoubtedly, there are firms awaiting on the outside who will be more than happy to hire his ass.

hz2p · Post by **hz2p** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:32 am

I'm going to start selling trendy t-shirts here with pictures of Che Gueverra on the front. Gonna make me a mint, yes sir

airwrench · Post by **airwrench** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:35 am

".....you see, the hurican, uh, storm katrina hates us for our freedom"

GWB

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:30 am

Ender wrote:Wow. I really can't believe some of the ignorant bullshit that comes out in these threads.

hz2p and Dust Devil: You two really are a couple of the most globally uneducated morons I've ever come across. My guess is that you're both newly into your twenties and still have a lot of learning to do.

Read a newspaper or two, guys. Cover to cover. (Not the Sun or the Enquirer, by the way.) Or, if that's too much of a mental strain for you, how about watching "The News Hour, with Jim Lehrer" on PBS, every night for one week. Perhaps you could catch the next episode of Frontline (season starts on October 4th), or Now. You may be interested in what you discover. And please - save the cries of Lehrer and PBS being "liberal". It's quite possible that many of you wouldn't recognize unbiased TV news reporting if it punched you in the face. How could you? There's almost none out there.

By the way; if "The News Hour" is too heavy for you, perhaps you could dip your toes in with "The National" on CBC. It would be a start, anyway.

So, try these remedies and get back to me in a week. Seriously, save your idiotic responses until you've educated yourselves a little better.

Ahahahaha. The CBC. oh my lord rotfl. oh stop wait no don't "CBC" bwahahahaha!!!!!! oh god no I'm gonna pee.

I would expect you would want me to watch the Liberal Governments propaganda channel.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:40 am

LH wrote:Personally, I have no argument with Michael Moore's letter becayse he tells the truth. The only problem that I have with Michael Moore is that, "Yes" he tells the truth AS FAR AS HE GOES. Unfortunately, like a lot in media he "tells only PART of the story and again, it's true as far as it goes, but if it went further it would give an entire different complexion on the story or event. So therefore, can one call Michael Moore a liar....."No"....not at all because he is most truthful. He can't even be charged for libel because he is stating the truth. Michael Moore's danger and those like him in media is the "partial reporting" that they engage in, only he has a bigger stage than some ladies around a bridge table on a Sunday afternoon.

So if someone is going to research ALL of what they hear or see Michael Moore speaks, writes or films, they soon realize that he too has his own agenda for some reason, but at this point in time I'm still not able to understand what it is.

I think Michael Moore and other Liberals would add more to their credibility if they would aknowledge that the democrats we're as much to blame as the republicans. I'm a conservative. I think the republicans did somethings wrong. No question the war in iraq was an illegal war. I still support it. The long term effects will leave the world and that country in a better place. Germany is doing pretty good for themselves these days.

Floats · Post by **Floats** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:59 am

I had a good laugh at that one too. THe CBC, come on man.

And if I can't read the Sun, what should I read? the Star? the globe? Are you claiming those are impartial papers?

Siddley Hawker · Post by **Siddley Hawker** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:05 pm

Yeah, I found the remarks about the CBC to be mildly amusing. The old CBC building on Jarvis Street in YZ wasn't called "The Kremlin" for nothing.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:14 pm

Interesting.

However, there is one thing that the CBC, TVO and PBS share in common; differing from all the other networks. Can you figure out what that is?

Hint: The answer is not that they're "liberal", or "communist", or any other typical response that you flakes may choose to vomit into this forum.

Question: Was the CBC still "the Liberal Governments propaganda channel" when Mulroney (oooh...does that name hurt?) was in office?

Floats:

I had a good laugh at that one too. THe CBC, come on man.

And if I can't read the Sun, what should I read? the Star? the globe? Are you claiming those are impartial papers?

In no way do I claim that any of those papers are impartial. My point is that the Sun is a tabloid that provides a minimum of information on any given topic (except sports, of course); little better than the sound bytes offered on TV.

The Star, Globe, National Post, New York Times, Washington Post, USA Today, Boston Herald, Chicago Sun Times, etc... are all rife with political slant. However, they provide much more in-depth discussion of the issues. There is still journalistic integrityand some objectivity in much of what you read. The fact that most papers are owned by massive media conglomerates sure doesn't help, though.

There is very little journalistic integrity and absolutely no objectivity left in network news. And that's where most people delude themselves into believing they're getting "facts".

hz2p and Dirt Devil:

No dinner 'til you've done your homework. I'm still waiting.

Floats · Post by **Floats** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:57 pm

I happen to disagree with you on the Sun.
Yes the Paper has a lot of advertisments, but please do not insult me by implying the Sun is nothing more than a tabloid. Do you ever read the columns? especially in the Sunday Sun. I do, as well as the other dailys. I enjoy it because I happen to have commen views with them.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:08 pm

No matter what the source it is biased. In any story, there are two sides, and somewhere in the middle is the truth. Even the CBC is on-side with the more conservative networks when it comes to reporting on Iraq. Note the use the terms, 'insurgents' and 'enemy combatants', instead of 'pissed-off Iraqis' and 'normal citizens'. In the US war of independance, civilians bearing arms against a national army were called 'patriots'. Iraqi patriots? The CBC though less influenced by corporate ownership, is still biased by our perception of the world as Westerners. Just as any media here, publicly funded or not, will be. Ratings make their world go round.

I have to laugh at the cold war rhetoric in this thread. Marxist-Lennonism and communism are not the same thing, not that I'm defending either. To call some one a Communist like the term is synonomus with evil and stupidity is a bit silly. Calling a liberal a communist is like calling a conservative a facist. I don't think anyone in Canada is that extreme. (cept maybe the skin-head I met in the Outback that one night, long story)

Anyway, the point is that social 'liberism' doesn't make me Stalin, any more than fiscal 'conservatism' makes me Hitler.

Before you all go yelling at me about this, take a Political Science course at your local university. I've found it very informative, without being coersive. It hasn't changed my political views, but it sure has made me think a lot more about what I'm saying on this site.