Plane crash video from 1992.....

jumperdumper · Post by **jumperdumper** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:02 am

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/oldplanecrash.html

airwrench · Post by **airwrench** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:08 am

JD

If you did that , Leo would kick your a$$, plus have a piss off little british guy. You back in the field, wheres the dreamteam now?

AW

greenwich · Post by **greenwich** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:08 am

Anyone know what the F happened there???

G

Silver Lining · Post by **Silver Lining** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:25 am

Didn't set his trim properly due to faulty trim indicator?

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:32 am

Looks like they were showing off, maybe trying to do a closed pattern followed by a climbing turning stall. Just a guess.

Cheers.

wasseau · Post by **wasseau** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:33 am

The elevator control lock was left on. This was in Gimli, Mb.

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:35 am

Scratch the showing off theory. Man that would suck.

N2 · Post by N2 » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:43 am

Oops wrong crash I was talking about.

Wally3Wheels · Post by **Wally3Wheels** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:07 am

If I remember it correctly, the aircraft (a DHC Caribou) just recieved the turbine conversion...it was the first one modified. The crew didn't catch that the elevator gust lock was still engaged. The conversion program was shut down shortly after.

Only a few people had a copy of the video back in the mid 90's, mainly TC System Safety inpsectors who were using it during their CRM seminar's. Apparently, TC had made an arrangement with the families of the deceased to use the video so that it would help show future and existing pilots the importance of a proper pre-flight inspection.

Kinda sad to see it posted on the web like that.

Maybe it's for the better of Aviation...or simply more excitement for ambulance chasers?

Sad day in Gimli

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:12 am

That's exactly why I do a 'freedom of controls check" every time after removing the gust locks.

jumperdumper · Post by **jumperdumper** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:37 pm

King Air Guy wrote:Looks like they were showing off, maybe trying to do a closed pattern followed by a climbing turning stall. Just a guess.

Cheers.

i believe that as well.

Ego's can get you in trouble

CID · Post by **CID** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:40 pm

The conversion program was shut down shortly after.

Actually the program proceeded to certification by NewCal in New Jersey who was the developer. Pen Turbo Aviation markets them now. I still see the odd ad, even one about a year ago in an aviation magazine but it was never a huge commercial success from what I can see.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/rec ... 19920827-1

The crash was a result of gust locks partially engaged.

Piston Broke · Post by **Piston Broke** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:42 pm

When they want 5 millon for an old airframe it no wonder

it was never a huge commercial success from what I can see.

2low · Post by **2low** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:05 pm

checklist, checklist, checkist.....read it..I doesn't impress me to know you have it memorized. Thats how important things can go witout notice.

double-j · Post by **double-j** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:51 pm

jumperdumper wrote:
King Air Guy wrote:Looks like they were showing off, maybe trying to do a closed pattern followed by a climbing turning stall. Just a guess.

Cheers.
i believe that as well.

Ego's can get you in trouble

This is why it doesn't pay to speculate....sideline quarterback.

jj

Axial Flow · Post by **Axial Flow** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:19 pm

That was the opening video for a TC PDM course that I took back in 1994. It started off showing the aircraft being taken out of the hangar with the pilots waving from the flight deck excited to try out the new conversion.

The video was at least 5 minutes and you were kinda waiting for the other shoe to drop but after seeing what happens it really caught your attention to what the guy had to say afterward.

From what I can remember of the synopsis they did not complete the checklist completly because of their excitement to get the thing in the air to see how it would perform and forget to remove the control lock. The video runs a bit longer with the camera guy going I can't believe it...I can't believe it...

Excellent speculation though...........

RIP Boys....

Siddley Hawker · Post by **Siddley Hawker** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:12 pm

A little more info here, plus another link to the same accident.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread ... did=187699

ch135146 · Post by **ch135146** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:36 am

That video looked a little fishy to me - the Caribou looks computer generated, or it might be an RC model. If you read the comments section from that link, some think it's fake but others think it real. Some remember that this accident did takeplace, but that this is not actual footage from it.

Interesting...

(I flew the Buffalo for seven years. The control lock on the Buf is an inverted T lever mounted to the cockpit ceiling, which is released as one of the last steps in the pre-takeoff checklist.)

ch135146 · Post by **ch135146** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:43 am

p.s. The control lock releases both the elevator and the ailerons. If not released, obviously, the yoke does not budge.

Lost in Saigon · Post by **Lost in Saigon** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:51 am

To ch135146,

It would appear that you and many others are very susceptible to to the power of suggestion. Just because one person thought it looked a little unrealistic, you all fall in line and start saying the same thing. Sure it may be possible but you have to be logical about it and ask yourself:

WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD SOME ONE GO TO SO MUCH TROUBLE TO MAKE A NEAR PERFECT COMPUTER GENERATED VIDEO OF A RELATIVELY INCONSPICUOUS EVENT THAT FEW PEOPLE HAVE EVER HEARD OF?

TG · Post by TG » Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:56 am

ch135146
Scroll down to page 6 and read.

(taken from an Air Safety seminar)
http://www.asasi.org/papers/2001/Four%2 ... idents.pdf

Flying Low · Post by **Flying Low** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:00 pm

Actually page 7.

ch135146 · Post by **ch135146** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:17 pm

To be clear, I said "it looked a little fishy" and that there were opposing views posted about the video at the original link. I never stated my definitive position, because I couldn't tell from watching that clip.

Thanks to the guys who pointed me toward further information. I'll read it with interest.

Perhaps the DHC4 does not use the same control lock as the DHC5, or it was modified in some way. In the Buf you can't achieve t/o power with the lock engaged.

Lost in Saigon, we all know caps are the way to shout on line. Would you shout at me in person if you had just met me?

Lost in Saigon · Post by **Lost in Saigon** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:59 pm

Sorry, I didn't mean to shout. I just wanted to add emphasis to anyone who was reading it.

swede · Post by **swede** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:22 pm

The DH-4 gust lock is ahead of the power levers on the overhead console (or whatever you want to call it). I believe that is the prototype machine that piled up in YWG. How they managed to start the take off with the gust locks engaged is beyond me. It is sickening to see, that's for sure.

Plane crash video from 1992.....

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