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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by Donald » Tue May 29, 2018 3:05 pm

mbav8r wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 8:24 am
ALPA has a blacklist for swoop pilots therefore those pilots cannot join the union, yep if I were tbaylx et al, I’d be looking for something else about now.
Considering the posting history of Tbaylx, have you considered he might already be a member of ALPA, on an LOA from another Canadian carrier?

Don't think the "ALPA hiring ban" will affect him.
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by mbav8r » Tue May 29, 2018 3:29 pm

No, however there is such a thing as a member “not in good standing”, not sure of the ramifications of that. I looked over tbaylx previous posts on the subject, he presented himself as a pilot who defended the actions of theses pilots but never as a swoop pilot, for obvious reasons but he was outed recently. He makes one reference to leaving Sunwing about 1 1/2 year ago but not where he was before swoop.
I have a feeling he came from SR which would be even sweeter if he’s pounding the pavement from all this, would make him a double scumbag. Either way I get to imagine him getting his due for now and will absolutely celebrate if word comes down they're let go.
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by Inverted2 » Tue May 29, 2018 6:45 pm

So, even if these "SWOOP" pilots get to stay at WJ now they will be date of hire bottom of the list and will be 10-15 years from a left seat at the current rate.
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by tbaylx » Tue May 29, 2018 7:45 pm

Nope, no secret who i am to anyone who’s been around awhile, and anyone who knows me is well aware of my own union and negotiating background. It has nothing to do with what and when I post. I’m happy to discuss opinions in person with those who do know me, but simply nothing to contribute to the current anger/self congrats party going on.

It’s going to get worse before it gets better once reality of the situation sets in, I’ll refrain from comments until there is an articulate intelligent discussion to be involved in.

Congrats to the WJ pilots on the contract gains you’ve made to date.
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by chainsaw » Tue May 29, 2018 7:49 pm

What’s really interesting is that the antagonistic avifiskAlly has shut his pie hole now that real positive outcomes are emerging from these negotiations
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by RidersRule » Tue May 29, 2018 8:37 pm

Lol how noble of you.

There is a large group chat going on amongst WestJet pilots. It’s funny in a chat of close to 200 pilots, many that claim to know you, no one has come to defend your character.

Enjoy, at best case, BOTL.
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by FlairAirlines » Wed May 30, 2018 9:54 am

Flair Airlines welcomes any pilots displaced by the recent news.. we should have another Training class in the Fall.. please watch our website or AvCanada for our postings when we do!
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by AvifiskAlly » Wed May 30, 2018 10:30 am

chainsaw wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 7:49 pm
What’s really interesting is that the antagonistic avifiskAlly has shut his pie hole now that real positive outcomes are emerging from these negotiations
I just think it's a long game and it is far from over. The deal will be the deal but from what I see so far the company has done pretty well.
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by DropTanks » Wed May 30, 2018 10:36 am

AvifiskAlly wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 10:30 am
chainsaw wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 7:49 pm
What’s really interesting is that the antagonistic avifiskAlly has shut his pie hole now that real positive outcomes are emerging from these negotiations
I just think it's a long game and it is far from over. The deal will be the deal but from what I see so far the company has done pretty well.
😂. That’s nice buddy. Keep thinking that.
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by schnitzel2k3 » Wed May 30, 2018 10:40 am

I can't believe I just saw Flair post in the WS forum looking for Swoop pilots. 'Sneaky sneaky sir' as they say in Mr. Deeds.
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Flair Airlines welcomes any pilots displaced by the recent news.. we should have another Training class in the Fall.. please watch our website or AvCanada for our postings when we do!
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Post by sportingrifle » Wed May 30, 2018 12:00 pm

And lets not forget the "Wing Suit" guy, who has been unusually quiet the last few days. I am sure he has notified management and the union that when the new contract is in place, he wants to work under the old wages, benefits, and work rules. After all, anyone so proud to have nothing to do with the union, certainly wouldn't feel comfortable accepting personal gains negotiated by the union. :roll:
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by Duke15 » Wed May 30, 2018 12:31 pm

Flair posting is SAVAGE hahaha
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by sportingrifle » Wed May 30, 2018 12:40 pm

The Flair ad is cheeky, but WJ flight ops real problem is Big Red. About 400 Teal resumes on file and hiring 5-10 a month.
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by atphat » Wed May 30, 2018 12:51 pm

If you worked at WJ would you not have your resume on file with AC? I mean, your BOD were legit ready to shut down the company over a squabble with a labour group.

Think about it. CB was so butthurt that the pilots unionized he wanted to shut the doors and end everything. A man child in every way.

If you are an investor in WJ or a current pilot and are not trying to get out and cut your losses under this kind of leadership don’t be surprised when it all turns to garbage.

No offence to the WJ folk.
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by calgaryguy » Wed May 30, 2018 1:27 pm

FlairAirlines wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 9:54 am
Flair Airlines welcomes any pilots displaced by the recent news.. we should have another Training class in the Fall.. please watch our website or AvCanada for our postings when we do!
According to friends at Flair the pilots however will not welcome you. The majority of Flair pilots support the ALPA ban and the Westjet pilots. Bottom of the list for you as FO. They don't want scabs either.
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by schnitzel2k3 » Wed May 30, 2018 3:04 pm

calgaryguy wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 1:27 pm
FlairAirlines wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 9:54 am
Flair Airlines welcomes any pilots displaced by the recent news.. we should have another Training class in the Fall.. please watch our website or AvCanada for our postings when we do!
According to friends at Flair the pilots however will not welcome you. The majority of Flair pilots support the ALPA ban and the Westjet pilots. Bottom of the list for you as FO. They don't want scabs either.
Flair has to make it out negotiations first before anyone makes a move there I would imagine, they do however hire DEC, but BOTL for seniority is true.

I think they are anticipating type rated 37 guys from this Swoop fallout, which I would imagine is going to grind to a halt here any day now.

Is there an accurate list of the Swoop pilots that's been put together so these random accusations can stop. Still can't believe 42 pilots are going into limbo here shortly.

Crazy.

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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by daedalusx » Wed May 30, 2018 4:43 pm

I was at CAE in YYZ couple of weeks ago and had the opportunity to verify the swoop list that is circulating in the wild. I can vouch for the 16 names there including our friend, of course. I know I'll be paying close attention to the PIL and any of those guys trying to sneak through on the jumpseater privilege will be shown the door and I know a few Capts who feel the same.
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Post by infiniteregulus » Wed May 30, 2018 4:59 pm

Where does one acquire said list? :D
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by schnitzel2k3 » Wed May 30, 2018 5:16 pm

daedalusx wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 4:43 pm
I was at CAE in YYZ couple of weeks ago and had the opportunity to verify the swoop list that is circulating in the wild. I can vouch for the 16 names there including our friend, of course. I know I'll be paying close attention to the PIL and any of those guys trying to sneak through on the jumpseater privilege will be shown the door and I know a few Capts who feel the same.
Didn't know XX was actually in ground school with Swoop, his profile said he had left the airlines and was firmly with TSB. I thought he was just passionately arguing the other side.

My apologies mb8vr.

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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by WeedPro2000 » Wed May 30, 2018 6:03 pm

sportingrifle wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 12:00 pm
And lets not forget the "Wing Suit" guy, who has been unusually quiet the last few days. I am sure he has notified management and the union that when the new contract is in place, he wants to work under the old wages, benefits, and work rules. After all, anyone so proud to have nothing to do with the union, certainly wouldn't feel comfortable accepting personal gains negotiated by the union. :roll:
Unusually quiet because he was dealing with some non-work stuff in mid-May and on Monday past he drove back down to Twin Falls on Monday to continue working on his BASE jumping skills in advance of a trip to Brento, Italy to jump off those nice mountains in a tracking suit and parachute. At this point, I could care less what ALPA does. My hope is that the unhappy pilots find happiness, and the happy pilots keep doing what makes them happy. In the end, I hope you all find what you were looking for. I wonder, in the end, will the result be worth it. Me, I'm happy to continue working under the current agreement until I leave WJ.

I had one jump this morning from the Perrine bridge before getting weathered out. With the crappy pilot agreement negotiated by the WJPA, I have another 25 days before I have to be back to work. I'm getting more comfortable overcoming (well, trying to overcome) the fear of leaping off the bridge, but it is not easy. Millions of years of evolution and an ape's brain work against me every jump. Being 52, I don't learn as quickly as the 22 year olds I am jumping with, nor is the physical exertion of making it back up to the top of the 486 foot exit point without its toll on my body.

And please don't think my absence here is anything but a lack of interest. I've got the BASE bug bad and I have a second rig arriving Monday. What the WJ pilots do with their psychic energy is purely up to themselves. I remain solidly motivated by self-interest and a desire to see the company do well. And fear, I am motivated by the desire to overcome my fears...not sure why.

I didn't bring a GoPro with me on this trip as I am concentrating solely on the BASE skills of a strong push from the exit (which for me is a challenge with my weak ass leg muscles), a good arch and symmetrical body position, and a strong and proper pilot chute throw, and finally good canopy skills. I don't need to be publish videos to show what a hero I am, in my mind, I'm already a legend.

That's all for now, Jungs, enjoy my brief hommage to the leader of the known universe.

The rock-starrest of 52 year-old Rock Stars,

Johnny "the f#cking legend" Swallow
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by Flyingsquirrelsuck » Wed May 30, 2018 7:09 pm

WeedPro2000 wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 6:03 pm
sportingrifle wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 12:00 pm
And lets not forget the "Wing Suit" guy, who has been unusually quiet the last few days. I am sure he has notified management and the union that when the new contract is in place, he wants to work under the old wages, benefits, and work rules. After all, anyone so proud to have nothing to do with the union, certainly wouldn't feel comfortable accepting personal gains negotiated by the union. :roll:
Unusually quiet because he was dealing with some non-work stuff in mid-May and on Monday past he drove back down to Twin Falls on Monday to continue working on his BASE jumping skills in advance of a trip to Brento, Italy to jump off those nice mountains in a tracking suit and parachute. At this point, I could care less what ALPA does. My hope is that the unhappy pilots find happiness, and the happy pilots keep doing what makes them happy. In the end, I hope you all find what you were looking for. I wonder, in the end, will the result be worth it. Me, I'm happy to continue working under the current agreement until I leave WJ.

I had one jump this morning from the Perrine bridge before getting weathered out. With the crappy pilot agreement negotiated by the WJPA, I have another 25 days before I have to be back to work. I'm getting more comfortable overcoming (well, trying to overcome) the fear of leaping off the bridge, but it is not easy. Millions of years of evolution and an ape's brain work against me every jump. Being 52, I don't learn as quickly as the 22 year olds I am jumping with, nor is the physical exertion of making it back up to the top of the 486 foot exit point without its toll on my body.

And please don't think my absence here is anything but a lack of interest. I've got the BASE bug bad and I have a second rig arriving Monday. What the WJ pilots do with their psychic energy is purely up to themselves. I remain solidly motivated by self-interest and a desire to see the company do well. And fear, I am motivated by the desire to overcome my fears...not sure why.

I didn't bring a GoPro with me on this trip as I am concentrating solely on the BASE skills of a strong push from the exit (which for me is a challenge with my weak ass leg muscles), a good arch and symmetrical body position, and a strong and proper pilot chute throw, and finally good canopy skills. I don't need to be publish videos to show what a hero I am, in my mind, I'm already a legend.

That's all for now, Jungs, enjoy my brief hommage to the leader of the known universe.

The rock-starrest of 52 year-old Rock Stars,

Johnny "the f#cking legend" Swallow
Thank goodness John’s ok. I was getting worried and losing sleep not seeing his posts.

Your the best John
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by schnitzel2k3 » Wed May 30, 2018 8:51 pm

Flyingsquirrelsuck wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 7:09 pm
WeedPro2000 wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 6:03 pm
sportingrifle wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 12:00 pm
And lets not forget the "Wing Suit" guy, who has been unusually quiet the last few days. I am sure he has notified management and the union that when the new contract is in place, he wants to work under the old wages, benefits, and work rules. After all, anyone so proud to have nothing to do with the union, certainly wouldn't feel comfortable accepting personal gains negotiated by the union. :roll:
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Thank goodness John’s ok. I was getting worried and losing sleep not seeing his posts.

Your the best John
You're.
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by J Roc » Wed May 30, 2018 9:10 pm

WeedPro2000 wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 6:03 pm
sportingrifle wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 12:00 pm

Unusually quiet because he was dealing with some non-work stuff in mid-May and on Monday past he drove back down to Twin Falls on Monday to continue working on his BASE jumping skills in advance of a trip to Brento, Italy to jump off those nice mountains in a tracking suit and parachute. At this point, I could care less what ALPA does. My hope is that the unhappy pilots find happiness, and the happy pilots keep doing what makes them happy. In the end, I hope you all find what you were looking for. I wonder, in the end, will the result be worth it. Me, I'm happy to continue working under the current agreement until I leave WJ.

I had one jump this morning from the Perrine bridge before getting weathered out. With the crappy pilot agreement negotiated by the WJPA, I have another 25 days before I have to be back to work. I'm getting more comfortable overcoming (well, trying to overcome) the fear of leaping off the bridge, but it is not easy. Millions of years of evolution and an ape's brain work against me every jump. Being 52, I don't learn as quickly as the 22 year olds I am jumping with, nor is the physical exertion of making it back up to the top of the 486 foot exit point without its toll on my body.

And please don't think my absence here is anything but a lack of interest. I've got the BASE bug bad and I have a second rig arriving Monday. What the WJ pilots do with their psychic energy is purely up to themselves. I remain solidly motivated by self-interest and a desire to see the company do well. And fear, I am motivated by the desire to overcome my fears...not sure why.

I didn't bring a GoPro with me on this trip as I am concentrating solely on the BASE skills of a strong push from the exit (which for me is a challenge with my weak ass leg muscles), a good arch and symmetrical body position, and a strong and proper pilot chute throw, and finally good canopy skills. I don't need to be publish videos to show what a hero I am, in my mind, I'm already a legend.

That's all for now, Jungs, enjoy my brief hommage to the leader of the known universe.

The rock-starrest of 52 year-old Rock Stars,

Johnny "the f#cking legend" Swallow
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by Air.Field » Thu May 31, 2018 5:33 am

Most are saying BOTL for the Swoop guys. It was recently mentioned in a previous post; but shouldn't they still be blacklisted/banned and shown the door? If you circumvent the blacklist now, it will have little effect in the future should a similar circumstance arise. Those facing a blacklist won't care and simply apply/fly for the scab airline knowing full well they'll just get integrated into the fold. This makes ALPA weaker, and more of a boy who cried wolf.
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Re: WestJet pilots to fly Swoop aircraft

Post by altiplano » Thu May 31, 2018 8:21 am

Ultimately, corporations will hire whoever they want. Unions don't hold those cards directly.

But it's the relationship with their existing staff that they jeopardize, along with culture, team, mutual respect... Many companies/managers possibly won't care though, to their detriment...

Spite for labour that stood up for themselves? Showing them who's boss? Who knows...

Why risk it though? There are other people with the same qualifications that won't damage the relationship further with existing employees. That's a good business decision as far as I'm concerned, why provoke when it's just as easy not too?
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