Right up until commuting AC pilots realize it’s to their benefit to be able to JS on swoop and then see how long that lasts.tailgunner wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 6:19 am Sicamore,
Add all the AC pilots to your list of non-desirables. I have already enquired, and have been assured that Swoop pilots will NOT be granted jumpseats on AC aircraft under our reciprocal jumpseats agreements. They can take the bus, hitchhike, or whatever, but they will be persona non grata when it comes to JS.
Furthermore, do your "friends " a favour and tell them to......ah, nevermind...
Swoop offering yearly bonuses?
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Eyebrow737,
I call BS on you being an AC pilot. Because if you were, I am sure that you would realize the implications of allowing a JS user to be from a non approved airline. There are only certain approved airlines on the reciprocal JS agreement. As of right now, and from what I have been told, moving forward, Swoop will NOT be on that list.
But, if you are an AC pilot, by all means make up your own approved list of acceptable recip. JS users. You will not get very far before there would be serious implications.
Cheers.
I call BS on you being an AC pilot. Because if you were, I am sure that you would realize the implications of allowing a JS user to be from a non approved airline. There are only certain approved airlines on the reciprocal JS agreement. As of right now, and from what I have been told, moving forward, Swoop will NOT be on that list.
But, if you are an AC pilot, by all means make up your own approved list of acceptable recip. JS users. You will not get very far before there would be serious implications.
Cheers.
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TBALX,
Not sure that you fully understand the reciprocal JS agreement between airlines. In order to use it, both airlines have to be approved and signed by each airline. So your best friend may not be able to use the agreement if their employer is not approved. ACPA has some direction in the formation of this list.
Furthermore, the use of the recip. JS is also done with the implicit approval of the operating captain for those ON the list. We are to introduce ourselves to the operating crew of the airline that we are using the recip. JS agreement on. The captain reserves the right to grant or not grant this privilege even though the gate agents have given us a seat.
The fellow captains that I have talked to about this issue, have indicated that even if Swoop is eventually included on the recip. JS list, that most will not agree to Swoop pilots using it.
Cheers.
Not sure that you fully understand the reciprocal JS agreement between airlines. In order to use it, both airlines have to be approved and signed by each airline. So your best friend may not be able to use the agreement if their employer is not approved. ACPA has some direction in the formation of this list.
Furthermore, the use of the recip. JS is also done with the implicit approval of the operating captain for those ON the list. We are to introduce ourselves to the operating crew of the airline that we are using the recip. JS agreement on. The captain reserves the right to grant or not grant this privilege even though the gate agents have given us a seat.
The fellow captains that I have talked to about this issue, have indicated that even if Swoop is eventually included on the recip. JS list, that most will not agree to Swoop pilots using it.
Cheers.
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"per company agreements, I will be allowing swoop pilots to JS. "tailgunner wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 7:06 am Eyebrow737,
I call BS on you being an AC pilot. Because if you were, I am sure that you would realize the implications of allowing a JS user to be from a non approved airline. There are only certain approved airlines on the reciprocal JS agreement. As of right now, and from what I have been told, moving forward, Swoop will NOT be on that list.
But, if you are an AC pilot, by all means make up your own approved list of acceptable recip. JS users. You will not get very far before there would be serious implications.
Cheers.
Thanks for the education. Now read before you reply next time to avoid making yourself appear more foolish than you probably are.
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Eyebrow 737,
What changed big fella? In 2016 you posted this in regards to our Australian brothers. Swoop has also looked for foreign pilots to fill their ranks versus WJ pilots...
"I would urge all those to stand up with our Australian brothers against the practice of not importing foreign pilots to not apply for these positions. It is immoral to import pilots to do work when there are plenty of Australian pilots available to fill these positions.
We would hate to appear to be hypocrites wouldn't we."
Cheers
What changed big fella? In 2016 you posted this in regards to our Australian brothers. Swoop has also looked for foreign pilots to fill their ranks versus WJ pilots...
"I would urge all those to stand up with our Australian brothers against the practice of not importing foreign pilots to not apply for these positions. It is immoral to import pilots to do work when there are plenty of Australian pilots available to fill these positions.
We would hate to appear to be hypocrites wouldn't we."
Cheers
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Try and be factual. There are no foreign pilots at swoop. They were looking for contract line indoc pilots for a 20 day contract. That’s a lot different than using “foreign pilots to fill their ranks”tailgunner wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 7:35 am Eyebrow 737,
What changed big fella? In 2016 you posted this in regards to our Australian brothers. Swoop has also looked for foreign pilots to fill their ranks versus WJ pilots...
"I would urge all those to stand up with our Australian brothers against the practice of not importing foreign pilots to not apply for these positions. It is immoral to import pilots to do work when there are plenty of Australian pilots available to fill these positions.
We would hate to appear to be hypocrites wouldn't we."
Cheers
We would hate to let facts ruin our argument wouldn’t we
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TBA,
Are you sure there are no foreign pilots already on the Swoop roster? You seem to know a lot about the Swoop operation. They have advertised, apparently hired some foreign pilots already. That fills their ranks .....
Eyebrow,
I understand that you may have come from Cargojet within the last two years. So maybe, indeed you are an AC pilot now....
Are you still harbouring a bruise from a failed WJ interview a few years ago?
Look forward to flying with you on the line.
Cheers.
Are you sure there are no foreign pilots already on the Swoop roster? You seem to know a lot about the Swoop operation. They have advertised, apparently hired some foreign pilots already. That fills their ranks .....
Eyebrow,
I understand that you may have come from Cargojet within the last two years. So maybe, indeed you are an AC pilot now....
Are you still harbouring a bruise from a failed WJ interview a few years ago?
Look forward to flying with you on the line.
Cheers.
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And now you have to be schooled on the nuance's of sarcasm. If you can't see the sarcasm in that statement, even WestJet is too good for you.tailgunner wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 7:35 am Eyebrow 737,
What changed big fella? In 2016 you posted this in regards to our Australian brothers. Swoop has also looked for foreign pilots to fill their ranks versus WJ pilots...
"I would urge all those to stand up with our Australian brothers against the practice of not importing foreign pilots to not apply for these positions. It is immoral to import pilots to do work when there are plenty of Australian pilots available to fill these positions.
We would hate to appear to be hypocrites wouldn't we."
Cheers
Tailgunner, you started off with low credibility and with each reply lost more. You are bordering on a negative by now.
To the issue in hand, we will see how your blacklist works. Actions will be stronger than words.
Don't expect another reply from me.
Re: Swoop offering yearly bonuses?
Most airlines have some sort of "bonus" for retention, signing a contract, etc. Plus, how can one be mad for low pay and at the same time having a bonus!?
High emotions and misplaced anger, not to mention juvenile comments are not helpful, as jumpseats are to be given as per company guidelines.
High emotions and misplaced anger, not to mention juvenile comments are not helpful, as jumpseats are to be given as per company guidelines.
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cloak wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 8:27 am Most airlines have some sort of "bonus" for retention, signing a contract, etc. Plus, how can one be mad for low pay and at the same time having a bonus!?
High emotions and misplaced anger, not to mention juvenile comments are not helpful, as jumpseats are to be given as per company guidelines.
No one controls the jump seat but the two guys up front, more specifically, the skipper. If they say it’s a no go, then it’s a no go. Period
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Cloak, the problem with propping up low(shit) pay with bonuses is when the market changes and there are plenty of pilots applying, the bonus disappears and the shit pay remains.cloak wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 8:27 am Most airlines have some sort of "bonus" for retention, signing a contract, etc. Plus, how can one be mad for low pay and at the same time having a bonus!?
High emotions and misplaced anger, not to mention juvenile comments are not helpful, as jumpseats are to be given as per company guidelines.
They didn’t start by offering a bonus, presumably the bonus was offered to attract more qualified pilots after they realized there wasn’t enough applying.
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Good guys (smart) don't break hiring bans and effectively thumb their noses to 2000 WJ pilots, ALPA, and ACPA. It's like messing around with someone's wife while they're at counseling, it's kinda frowned upon, and you deserve what you get. Since youre threatening jump seat privileges I'd like to know who you work for? Furthermore I wouldn't have allowed a swoop scab in my flightdeck either.sicamore wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 6:06 pmGive me your name and I will otherwise, WestJet pilots it will be.saltypilot wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 5:49 pmHey Sicamore,sicamore wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 5:18 pm
I know quite a number of good people who are now working at swoop and count a number of them as friends. Friends with families to support and who applied for a job at an airline that was advertised.
If I hear of any blacklisting or agressive tactics against these pilots, you can bet the last time a WestJet pilot jumpseated with me will be the last. That will also include any hiring down the line that I am involved in.
Pick your fight with the management, not the pilots otherwise you will be fair game in my books.
Not a problem. Let’s see how it all shakes out My original post stands. Let’s just call it my own personal belief so you can take it solely out on me if you like.
About time as well. As far as many are concerned you are all overpaid seat cleaners and bad comedians over the intercom who are responsible for dragging this industry and the profession down to new lows.
Maybe it would be the best outcome of this little drama that WestJet were to fold and maybe then pilots would once again have a little respect in themselves and their profession.
When you joined WestJet, you lost the respect of 91% of the pilots out there.
Oh yes we groom, and yes wj lowered the bar, but were trying to fix that. Still have an issue?
The feet you step on today might be attached to the ass you're kissing tomorrow.
Chase lifestyle not metal.
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Russ, if I hear you denying a jumpseat to a Swoop pilot for political reasons, you can forget having the jumpseat in my flight deck when trying to get home to YYT? Capiche?saltypilot wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 4:02 pm If any of you Whoopsters are reading this, hear me now, good luck EVER getting a jumpseat....not that I expect you to care but you’ve lost the respect of, at the very least, 91% of Westjet Pilots.
Maybe climb back down from that high horse you're own and start to show some of that Newfoundlander hospitality...
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They’ll be able to travel reciprocal js on my Jazz flights however I will inform of what a piece of s**t they areWeedPro2000 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:49 pmRuss, if I hear you denying a jumpseat to a Swoop pilot for political reasons, you can forget having the jumpseat in my flight deck when trying to get home to YYT? Capiche?saltypilot wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 4:02 pm If any of you Whoopsters are reading this, hear me now, good luck EVER getting a jumpseat....not that I expect you to care but you’ve lost the respect of, at the very least, 91% of Westjet Pilots.
Maybe climb back down from that high horse you're own and start to show some of that Newfoundlander hospitality...
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Oh god, not this again.Maritimer wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:49 amcloak wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 8:27 am Most airlines have some sort of "bonus" for retention, signing a contract, etc. Plus, how can one be mad for low pay and at the same time having a bonus!?
High emotions and misplaced anger, not to mention juvenile comments are not helpful, as jumpseats are to be given as per company guidelines.
No one controls the jump seat but the two guys up front, more specifically, the skipper. If they say it’s a no go, then it’s a no go. Period
Sure, legally you can refuse anyone you want on your flight. Even paying passengers. Or your CEO. Doesn't mean there won't be consequences. If you start doing this within a company to your fellow pilots, and it results in missed flights and complaints, you will have to do some explaining.
If you do this to companies you have reciprocal jumpseat agreements with, you will have to explain yourself. If it happens a lot, you, and possibly your whole company will lose the reciprocal jumpseat agreements.
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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Dude, I don’t know where you work but I can assure you you that people get denied the jumpseat at WJ all the time.digits_ wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:31 amOh god, not this again.Maritimer wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:49 amNo one controls the jump seat but the two guys up front, more specifically, the skipper. If they say it’s a no go, then it’s a no go. Periodcloak wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 8:27 am Most airlines have some sort of "bonus" for retention, signing a contract, etc. Plus, how can one be mad for low pay and at the same time having a bonus!?
High emotions and misplaced anger, not to mention juvenile comments are not helpful, as jumpseats are to be given as per company guidelines.
Sure, legally you can refuse anyone you want on your flight. Even paying passengers. Or your CEO. Doesn't mean there won't be consequences. If you start doing this within a company to your fellow pilots, and it results in missed flights and complaints, you will have to do some explaining.
If you do this to companies you have reciprocal jumpseat agreements with, you will have to explain yourself. If it happens a lot, you, and possibly your whole company will lose the reciprocal jumpseat agreements.
To be clear, I’m not referring to reciprocal jumpseat passengers, as I’m sure no one else here is either. We are talking about the flight deck jumpseat only. And that my friend is 100% controlled by the 2 guys up front for that particular flight. When the CSA walks on board and askes “hey guys, are you willing to take a jump?” That’s our call only and no, you won’t hear boo about it.
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My apologies, I was indeed talking about "jumpseaters" in the cabin. No idea how it works for jumpseaters in the cockpit at WJ.
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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Does this include that Westjet clown on an Air Canada recip JS who bought everyone Pizza at 1am and made a big stink about it?digits_ wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:31 amOh god, not this again.Maritimer wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:49 amcloak wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 8:27 am Most airlines have some sort of "bonus" for retention, signing a contract, etc. Plus, how can one be mad for low pay and at the same time having a bonus!?
High emotions and misplaced anger, not to mention juvenile comments are not helpful, as jumpseats are to be given as per company guidelines.
No one controls the jump seat but the two guys up front, more specifically, the skipper. If they say it’s a no go, then it’s a no go. Period
Sure, legally you can refuse anyone you want on your flight. Even paying passengers. Or your CEO. Doesn't mean there won't be consequences. If you start doing this within a company to your fellow pilots, and it results in missed flights and complaints, you will have to do some explaining.
If you do this to companies you have reciprocal jumpseat agreements with, you will have to explain yourself. If it happens a lot, you, and possibly your whole company will lose the reciprocal jumpseat agreements.