Red Deer Student Lost

[broken_slinky]

Since the English proficiency test is gone, shouldn't TC and NavCanada be putting more pressure on the CFIs or schools to ensure students are capable?

The language proficiency test isn't gone. The mechanism for getting one is changed as of June 1, but the requirement is still there. However, it's only required before flight test, not before solo, so there's still the possibility of students flying around who really aren't language proficient.

I was told the test is gone, it's been rolled into the briefing portion of the flight test. Is it still a separate entity? I agree with Blueontop, it really should be done prior to a solo flight. Ideally done prior to any flight training.

[looproll]

Red Deer airspace is an accident waiting to happen

[pianokeys]

Ya know, money talks. Not surprised this isnt really being handled well considering the income it makes for flight schools. Most of the flight schools in Canada offer English, French, or Mandarin as their languages on their websites.

Maybe we should CADORS the crap out of these types and draw attention to it.

[Tertle]

Since the English proficiency test is gone, shouldn't TC and NavCanada be putting more pressure on the CFIs or schools to ensure students are capable?

The language proficiency test isn't gone. The mechanism for getting one is changed as of June 1, but the requirement is still there. However, it's only required before flight test, not before solo, so there's still the possibility of students flying around who really aren't language proficient.

I was told the test is gone, it's been rolled into the briefing portion of the flight test. Is it still a separate entity? I agree with Blueontop, it really should be done prior to a solo flight. Ideally done prior to any flight training.

It's not included in the flight test. The tests are over the phone (not 100% sure if in person is an option) while being recorded. Someone at TC will review the test and then rank the English standard of the student. If they get a fail, they have to wait a certain amount of time (was it 2 months?) before retaking. The examiners themselves have some restrictions on the amount of tests given in a month and from which schools... The details could very well be different, but that's the premise of what I was hearing from a flight school a few months back.

[Old Dog Flying]

With all these Engliss Proficiet slo students in our airspace, we can expect another YHU before too long. I'm surprised that the Fraser Valley dogfight hasn't produced more casualties.

As long as off-shore entities own the majority of flight schools in our country the problem will only get wo0rse

[In_The_Detent]

The Chinese students are tested to be "Operational English" before they leave for and once they arrive here in Canada. Among other language tests that a regular student would have to do. these situations sadly still do happen.. though never heard of a student not knowing what a road looks likes.

Kinda like the famous lost student that finds the town of "POOL"

But yes Red Deer is now a far cry from the nice quiet escape from the pissed off tightwadded controllers at Springbank.

[rvdungen]

There is a lot of truth here and a lot of bullshit. If anyone is convinced that everyone involved with aviation in Red Deer is simply doing nothing to try to improve the overall safety of flying in that area they should simply stop flying at all. Flying the hangar might be better suited for you. The only time the circuit is truly terrifying at YQF is when GGN arrives and cuts off half the airplanes using TCAS advisories as vectors. Probably for the best that service is ending soon.