NavAir Grounded in YYC???

plankspanker · Post by **plankspanker** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:53 am

endless wrote:You can get grandfathered through AD compliance because the previous owner didn't? I find that very hard to believe? Anyone with any kind of experience as an AME care to comment?

In a word "NO".

airliner · Post by **airliner** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:06 am

haligoner
Just to save face here, and to help you out with a little info.
The AD was for a oil filter seal or something or other. The paticulars im not to sure. As far as the crach it wasnt a stall, but it was oil hitting the turbo, causing an explosion, which in turn caused a spar failure.
No wings is not a stall, and there wasnt anything any pilot could do.

As far as Navair giving people a start in this difficult industry. Its true mostly everyone who have left Navair have gone onto bigger and better thing. (Im proof) This doesnt take away from the fact it is a starting company with clapped out aircrafts. Its the chip on the sholder i dont respect.

marktheone · Post by **marktheone** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:00 am

OK lots of stuff about TC and dangerous airplanes on here. My .02. You are a comercial pilot trained in maintenance release and the rest of the crap we have to learn. I you don't think it's safe don't fly the goddamn thing.

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY SHUT DOWN AS OF TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 20, 2005?

Thanks, it is important to me to know as perhaps I can pick up some of their slack temporarily while they recover.

4low · Post by **4low** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:15 am

marktheone wrote:DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY SHUT DOWN AS OF TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 20, 2005?

They are still operating 5 Navajo's and 3 MU-2's for the banks.

A side note, if you guys start logging less time in the computer chair and more pounding the pavement dropping resumes, you too could have a job. It is weird how lots of our guys have already found jobs but there are so many other people that claim "no one is hiring right now" or "the industry is just not moving yet"

I have found a job to hold me over but I can tell you that my loyalty is to NavAir. When they call me, I will be there...and they will call.

ei ei owe · Post by **ei ei owe** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:17 am

That's awesome. You and Sonic Blue (or whatever fag name they've got now) can nickel and dime each other for the Nav Air scraps. Do you fly yourself or do you have employees that volunteer?

bob sacamano · Post by **bob sacamano** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:30 pm

from DHL source. Concerning the navair contract.

"we got right now, puro for major cities in a convair, and use commercial where ever we can..."

"we have one charter outfit, Juan Air for the island, other than that, puro and commercial..."

"Regency doesn't have enough aircrafts to cover all the contracts that navair had...regency is covering BDC (BAnkers Dispatch) runs...we had to go other routes..."

If any of this info is wrong, i'm just a messenger

however, it is from DHL.

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:37 pm

haligoner · Post by **haligoner** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:37 pm

airliner wrote:haligoner
Just to save face here, and to help you out with a little info.
The AD was for a oil filter seal or something or other. The paticulars im not to sure. As far as the crach it wasnt a stall, but it was oil hitting the turbo, causing an explosion, which in turn caused a spar failure.
No wings is not a stall, and there wasnt anything any pilot could do.

As far as Navair giving people a start in this difficult industry. Its true mostly everyone who have left Navair have gone onto bigger and better thing. (Im proof) This doesnt take away from the fact it is a starting company with clapped out aircrafts. Its the chip on the sholder i dont respect.

Perhaps you could name the source of your info? The only folks who could definitively claim to have such knowledge (as in, legally, not unofficially) are TSB. Are you TSB? If you are, well, good on ya for coming on an anonymous forum and "setting things straight". Perhaps you could sign your real name and a business telephone number, I'd LOVE to chat! (PM is fine too). I'm not holding my breath.

I've never claimed to have access to the accident investigation. But when I read about an inexperienced crew, a low-performance a/c, a completely flat debris site (no debris trail, ie, straight down), and an accident while trying to return after T/O (a low-percentage maneuver anyway), I think...it just got too slow, too low.

Disclaimer: this is my opinion, nothing more! I am quite willing to admit it was the one-in-a-million massive structural failure, caused by oil hitting a turbo...IF that becomes the finding of the TSB! Standing by...

Salsa · Post by **Salsa** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:11 pm

Haligoner:
They were not trying to return after T/O. I could care less about you ranting about how bad NavAir is, but it is what it is and probably won't change. At least I won't hold my breath. But when you talk about the above it gets personal and its tough enough to deal with as it is without you playing the telephone game. Wait till the report comes out read it for yourself and not from what you hear. Just wanted to correct you not trying to be an a**hole.

Good luck to the boys that got laid off...as said earlier, the grass is greener on the other side.

flyboeing · Post by **flyboeing** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:19 pm

NTAir has a nava-ho! running on the BDC (Bankers Dispatch) route.

PS- NavAir suxs...........shut that cost cutting company down for good! Lets prevent some brave pilot whos just trying to rack up some hours from getting hurt!

punchbuggy · Post by **punchbuggy** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:13 am

[Quote
On many advanced airplanes (yes even small ones) lack of trim indication is a serious issue. Its a no-go on pretty much any airplane. Any maintenance guy who signs off such an airplane is breaking the law. My guess that if such a defect was deferred it would be done with no paperwork trail so there is no way to nail the AME or to advise all the pilots of the problem.]

First of all, CID could you tell where I might find this "law" of where a trim indicator on a navajo is a no go item and I as an ame would be breaking the law signing it out? Oh, brother! Second, on the other hand all you heroes out there who figure you don't need it, fine, no big deal, but if it is required for flight it's a very cheap and easy thing to keep working, so why not just fix it and be done with it. Is it really worth fighting with TC about. Sometimes we are our own worst enemy