Deal or No Deal?
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This is kind of like a pay it forward type of thing. Do onto others as you’d have done onto you etc. The Jaz MEC is trying to set a standard of respect for fellow Alpa pilots at the Express brand who are(through no fault of their own) aboard a sinking ship. To my fellow Jazz pilots, if Jazz fell on hard times and another Alpa Express carrier extended an offer to take you DOH on their property, wouldn’t that be a godsend for you and your family? And the current offer to Georgian will have very little effect on the current Jazz pilots because of the 1)relatively junior population at Georgian 2)increased fins they bring with them and 3)the better flow through which comes with the deal which will have way more junior guys going directly to AC. The net effect on a given Jazz pilot will be negligible
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Your so wrong in many ways! This contract is gonna set the trend for the future when AC wants to push us around and our MEC has there tail between there legs.hithere wrote: ↑Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:27 pm This is kind of like a pay it forward type of thing. Do onto others as you’d have done onto you etc. The Jaz MEC is trying to set a standard of respect for fellow Alpa pilots at the Express brand who are(through no fault of their own) aboard a sinking ship. To my fellow Jazz pilots, if Jazz fell on hard times and another Alpa Express carrier extended an offer to take you DOH on their property, wouldn’t that be a godsend for you and your family? And the current offer to Georgian will have very little effect on the current Jazz pilots because of the 1)relatively junior population at Georgian 2)increased fins they bring with them and 3)the better flow through which comes with the deal which will have way more junior guys going directly to AC. The net effect on a given Jazz pilot will be negligible
Stop feeding all these new people this crap.
Let's see what they come back with if we say no. Stop going for the first deal!
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To all my fellow JAZZ aviators, do yourself a favor and get informed. Talk to your ALPA reps, talk to the negotiating committee, read your CA, read the MOS. Grill both the yes and no camp, ask them what is their vision and strategy past the ratification vote. And when you are happy with the info you got, vote what you feel is right be it yes or no, not what some schmucks hiding on a forum behind 3-4 aliases are telling you to.
All non-Jazz folks with all due respect, keep your uninformed opinion on how the vote should go to yourself.
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All non-Jazz folks with all due respect, keep your uninformed opinion on how the vote should go to yourself.
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PS: I see a lot of posting while I was writing this so sorry for repeating what was said above, which is pretty much what I am saying....get informed.Outlaw58 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:36 pm To all my fellow JAZZ aviators, do yourself a favor and get informed. Talk to your ALPA reps, talk to the negotiating committee, read your CA, read the MOS. Grill both the yes and no camp, ask them what is their vision and strategy past the ratification vote. And when you are happy with the info you got, vote what you feel is right be it yes or no, not what some schmucks hiding on a forum behind 3-4 aliases are telling you to.
All non-Jazz folks with all due respect, keep your uninformed opinion on how the vote should go to yourself.
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Hey outlaw what’s your plan when Calin tells you to shove your no vote up your ass and proceeds to wind Jazz down to 2025? What about the 1500 pilots and families that the MEC has to look out for? The MEC does not roll the dice with it’s members’ careers. Maybe if you are financially secure or don’t have so much of you life invested in this company then you don’t give a sh!t either way, but the vast majority of us do care
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To quote this individual who doesn't know what he's talking about. I'll tell all you fellow Jazz Pilots. What if you vote "yes" contract goes through. 6 months later interview at AC and your unsuccessful plus the GGN guys coming in and taking a senior spot to you potentially. Then what?. your locked in a raw deal till 2035 that saves AC 50million a year, when these things could be going towards our wages.Outlaw58 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:36 pm To all my fellow JAZZ aviators, do yourself a favor and get informed. Talk to your ALPA reps, talk to the negotiating committee, read your CA, read the MOS. Grill both the yes and no camp, ask them what is their vision and strategy past the ratification vote. And when you are happy with the info you got, vote what you feel is right be it yes or no, not what some schmuck hiding on a forum behind 3-4 aliases is telling you to.
All non-Jazz folks with all due respect, keep your uninformed opinion on how the vote should go to yourself.
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Just a thought when the people that only have there own prerogatives in mine. Think of the next generation behind you who may start at Jazz.
Just a thought
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To quote this individual who doesn't know what he's talking about. I'll tell all you fellow Jazz Pilots. What if you vote "yes" contract goes through. 6 months later interview at AC and your unsuccessful plus the GGN guys coming in and taking a senior spot to you potentially. Then what?. your locked in a raw deal till 2035 that saves AC 50million a year, when these things could be going towards our wages.
Just a thought when the people that only have there own prerogatives in mine. Think of the next generation behind you who may start at Jazz.
Just a thought
Just a thought when the people that only have there own prerogatives in mine. Think of the next generation behind you who may start at Jazz.
Just a thought
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Just to be clear, I am not advocating voting one way or another...all I am saying is get your information from proper sources and not from just 1 source. Never meant to offend anyone here, sorry if I did.
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You will have a far better chance of getting hired under the PML contained in the new contract than the current one. Current PFO rate somewhere between 20-50%. New contract will be max 10% PFO. Don’t believe me? Go to a roadshow and/or open house, view the roadshow video when it comes out on the 23rd and real the MOS. Get informed
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So AC is planning to lower their hiring/interview standards to allow specifically allow more JAZZ pilots to pass? First I hear of this.
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If you are asking this question as a Jazz pilot then you need to read the MOS. The details are there
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Honestly guys already on the property want to go to ac, and if pfod will jump ship to ts or sw. You can increase the pay by all you want, it will never come close to a 737 payscale and most will leave anyways, for pay but also to fly something bigger on more international routes. Pay is not everything...ego is not the issue either, but you want to feel challenged and I feel most will not be content with flying a q or rj for the next 30 years..It is sad but I think a lot of the current jazz guys won't change their mind even for 15 or 20k more a year...
The gap is too big between the big 4 and the regionals...
The gap is too big between the big 4 and the regionals...
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Voting opens up tomorrow and runs for a week. Results will be known Jan 31.
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I would like to remind my fellow peers that you are in as good a position to negotiate for better terms as ever. We in Canada have become the rock bottom of the industry when it comes to compensation. When the AC directors and board decide to eliminate one carrier’s contract and give the fleet to chorus, along with taking a 10% stake in the company, it is obvious that they want the company to growth. Otherwise they wouldnt do it. The whole talk of eliminating jazz is nothing but fear tactics to lock us up to a crap contract for 17 years. Who knows what the cost of living will be during that time. Sure has increased by more than the 2%!
I really hope everyone votes with the thought of not just themselves; as well as those behind them. Not all of us have ambitions of going to mainline. There is a massive pilot shortage and there is no way that another carrier can hire enough pilots to cover our 700+ flights a day. If anything they would have to hire former jazz guys/gals. I also hope we can have the georgian pilots join us without any harm to our seniority while still providing a good workplace for them after working for such an operator.
When we crunch the numbers, pilot wages amount to much less than 1% of an airline’s bill. We need a piece of the pie.
As for the flowthrough for AC, the numbers will be the same as the ratio is already there atm going into air canada.
Just my 2 cents. I hope everyone gets what they want, you’re all worth your weight and skills.
I really hope everyone votes with the thought of not just themselves; as well as those behind them. Not all of us have ambitions of going to mainline. There is a massive pilot shortage and there is no way that another carrier can hire enough pilots to cover our 700+ flights a day. If anything they would have to hire former jazz guys/gals. I also hope we can have the georgian pilots join us without any harm to our seniority while still providing a good workplace for them after working for such an operator.
When we crunch the numbers, pilot wages amount to much less than 1% of an airline’s bill. We need a piece of the pie.
As for the flowthrough for AC, the numbers will be the same as the ratio is already there atm going into air canada.
Just my 2 cents. I hope everyone gets what they want, you’re all worth your weight and skills.