17 year TA?
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Re: 17 year TA?
Is this going to digress into a dick measuring contest? I'd rather show you pictures of my successful kids and happy chihuahuas than my T4 any day. I am happy with my Jazz situation pre MOS4 and I like now knowing what my final payday before retirement might look like. And that's a minimum without any new things that may get negotiated in during the contract life. And my peers are going to get onside with the new plan and hopefully we never have to look over our shoulder for something bad about to run us over.
WJ and Jazz. Apples and oranges. No point comparing. If you're happy in the teal or red that you chose then great. If not go out and get a "real" job.
WJ and Jazz. Apples and oranges. No point comparing. If you're happy in the teal or red that you chose then great. If not go out and get a "real" job.
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I agree.Captain S itmagnet wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:03 pm Is this going to digress into a dick measuring contest? I'd rather show you pictures of my successful kids and happy chihuahuas than my T4 any day. I am happy with my Jazz situation pre MOS4 and I like now knowing what my final payday before retirement might look like. And that's a minimum without any new things that may get negotiated in during the contract life. And my peers are going to get onside with the new plan and hopefully we never have to look over our shoulder for something bad about to run us over.
WJ and Jazz. Apples and oranges. No point comparing. If you're happy in the teal or red that you chose then great. If not go out and get a "real" job.
Sorry for getting off topic.
Re: 17 year TA?
He said take home more, which is likely true.Yycjetdriver wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:54 pmAs a former jazz captain you must be one heck of an overtime whore and even at that I still highly doubt that you make more than any WestJet captain (swoop excluded).
No overtime, I take home in my bank, without per diems, 6000.00 per month, more after CPP and EI are maxed. That’s after the 650.00 comes off for ESOP, Jazz then matches 60% of that at the end of the year, so call that an extra 500 a month
This of course 13 year Captain pay scale.
Congratulations to all Jazz pilots, we don’t have to find out what plan b was, I view this as a win.
I will lobby ALPA Canada to change the rules for safety sake, my guess the airlines will lobby against and win but sometime down the road when we revisit the contract because of a shortage, maybe we an make the other 28% happy.
FYI, I wrote this response and got busy, so many of the responses were posted and any redundant points are because of that
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Re: 17 year TA?
You're right. Until legislation is passed to ban anyone under 1500 hrs flying jets or "heavy" turboprops, little can be done to leverage this so called "shortage". AC and Chorus know this too well. Could Jazz have gotten a better deal? Sure. Would have been much better? I highly doubt it.mbav8r wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:09 pmHe said take home more, which is likely true.Yycjetdriver wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:54 pmAs a former jazz captain you must be one heck of an overtime whore and even at that I still highly doubt that you make more than any WestJet captain (swoop excluded).
No overtime, I take home in my bank, without per diems, 6000.00 per month, more after CPP and EI are maxed. That’s after the 650.00 comes off for ESOP, Jazz then matches 60% of that at the end of the year, so call that an extra 500 a month
This of course 13 year Captain pay scale.
Congratulations to all Jazz pilots, we don’t have to find out what plan b was, I view this as a win.
I will lobby ALPA Canada to change the rules for safety sake, my guess the airlines will lobby against and win but sometime down the road when we revisit the contract because of a shortage, maybe we an make the other 28% happy.
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We just need to start making some noise in the USA, and have some American representatives realize that Canadians are flying into the USA and flying American passengers around with less than an ATPL. That might put some pressure on Canada to change our rules. If that happens, being ina 17 year deal won't matter since half of our pilots won't be allowed to work here anymore! LOL.HansDietrich wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:16 pmYou're right. Until legislation is passed to ban anyone under 1500 hrs flying jets or "heavy" turboprops, little can be done to leverage this so called "shortage". AC and Chorus know this too well. Could Jazz have gotten a better deal? Sure. Would have been much better? I highly doubt it.mbav8r wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:09 pmHe said take home more, which is likely true.Yycjetdriver wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:54 pm
As a former jazz captain you must be one heck of an overtime whore and even at that I still highly doubt that you make more than any WestJet captain (swoop excluded).
No overtime, I take home in my bank, without per diems, 6000.00 per month, more after CPP and EI are maxed. That’s after the 650.00 comes off for ESOP, Jazz then matches 60% of that at the end of the year, so call that an extra 500 a month
This of course 13 year Captain pay scale.
Congratulations to all Jazz pilots, we don’t have to find out what plan b was, I view this as a win.
I will lobby ALPA Canada to change the rules for safety sake, my guess the airlines will lobby against and win but sometime down the road when we revisit the contract because of a shortage, maybe we an make the other 28% happy.
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Jazz goes to such lengths to be a company that stands against discrimination....I am relieved you don’t represent the company anymore. Very distasteful analogy, my friend. Not funny at all.HansDietrich wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:06 pm Jazz pilots were not willing to risk it and voted something that was mediocre at best. It's similar to those guys that marry the fat girl. Sure, she's not the best, but she'll be a sure bet and will stick around.
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That’s quite brilliant, perhaps you should run for ALPA president.V1Vr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:22 pmWe just need to start making some noise in the USA, and have some American representatives realize that Canadians are flying into the USA and flying American passengers around with less than an ATPL. That might put some pressure on Canada to change our rules. If that happens, being ina 17 year deal won't matter since half of our pilots won't be allowed to work here anymore! LOL.HansDietrich wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:16 pmYou're right. Until legislation is passed to ban anyone under 1500 hrs flying jets or "heavy" turboprops, little can be done to leverage this so called "shortage". AC and Chorus know this too well. Could Jazz have gotten a better deal? Sure. Would have been much better? I highly doubt it.mbav8r wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:09 pm
He said take home more, which is likely true.
No overtime, I take home in my bank, without per diems, 6000.00 per month, more after CPP and EI are maxed. That’s after the 650.00 comes off for ESOP, Jazz then matches 60% of that at the end of the year, so call that an extra 500 a month
This of course 13 year Captain pay scale.
Congratulations to all Jazz pilots, we don’t have to find out what plan b was, I view this as a win.
I will lobby ALPA Canada to change the rules for safety sake, my guess the airlines will lobby against and win but sometime down the road when we revisit the contract because of a shortage, maybe we an make the other 28% happy.
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Re: 17 year TA?
Yieldermatik wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:29 pmJazz goes to such lengths to be a company that stands against discrimination....I am relieved you don’t represent the company anymore. Very distasteful analogy, my friend. Not funny at all.HansDietrich wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:06 pm Jazz pilots were not willing to risk it and voted something that was mediocre at best. It's similar to those guys that marry the fat girl. Sure, she's not the best, but she'll be a sure bet and will stick around.
Did the fat girl take 1/2 your shit?
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I see I have to work harder at teaching my son to be a respectful adult someday. Unbelievable.BingBong wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:34 pmYieldermatik wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:29 pmJazz goes to such lengths to be a company that stands against discrimination....I am relieved you don’t represent the company anymore. Very distasteful analogy, my friend. Not funny at all.HansDietrich wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:06 pm Jazz pilots were not willing to risk it and voted something that was mediocre at best. It's similar to those guys that marry the fat girl. Sure, she's not the best, but she'll be a sure bet and will stick around.
Did the fat girl take 1/2 your shit?
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Oh get over it! You're a sensitive kind, aren't you? Why is that? Did I strike a nerve?Yieldermatik wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:29 pmJazz goes to such lengths to be a company that stands against discrimination....I am relieved you don’t represent the company anymore. Very distasteful analogy, my friend. Not funny at all.HansDietrich wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:06 pm Jazz pilots were not willing to risk it and voted something that was mediocre at best. It's similar to those guys that marry the fat girl. Sure, she's not the best, but she'll be a sure bet and will stick around.
In this ultra political age of ours, one can't even make a joke. Jesus... you must be a blast at parties. I never "represented" Jazz. I just worked there. I showed up to work, did my job, got the people home safe and collected my paycheck. I don't care to "represent" anyone I work for. I just deliver on what we agreed upon. I fly, they pay. I didn't support or pretend to give a sh*t about their diversity agenda. I also wasn't a d*ck to people. At least not to their face, but be sure I made fun of many, as I'm sure many made fun of me.
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You could have said “plus sized” or “heavy set” girl.
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We had a great chance to have solid Jazz fella in charge of Alpa Canada but two LEC Representatives at Jazz felt a Westjet pilot who has his application in at AC was a better choice.mbav8r wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:33 pmThat’s quite brilliant, perhaps you should run for ALPA president.V1Vr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:22 pmWe just need to start making some noise in the USA, and have some American representatives realize that Canadians are flying into the USA and flying American passengers around with less than an ATPL. That might put some pressure on Canada to change our rules. If that happens, being ina 17 year deal won't matter since half of our pilots won't be allowed to work here anymore! LOL.HansDietrich wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:16 pm
You're right. Until legislation is passed to ban anyone under 1500 hrs flying jets or "heavy" turboprops, little can be done to leverage this so called "shortage". AC and Chorus know this too well. Could Jazz have gotten a better deal? Sure. Would have been much better? I highly doubt it.
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We had a great chance to have solid Jazz fella in charge of Alpa Canada but two LEC Representatives at Jazz felt a Westjet pilot who has his application in at AC was a better choice.
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It was definitely time for change at the Canada Board.
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It was definitely time for change at the Canada Board.
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Disagree. Brian Shury was the only right choice for the position and having a had a chance to hear him speak again at the road show and chat with him briefly, those LEC reps who chose to support a Westjetter with not much of a resume really fucked up.
Did you know he didn't even run for Vice President? The member from Air Transat who was elected stepped down in order to allow Captain Shury the opportunity to stay involved at a high level. No one expected him to lose the President position. The majority of all other ALPA carriers in Canada voted for him. Tim won only because two of our pilots let internal MEC disagreements get in the way of important National politics.
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With all due respect, Brian had been Dan’s right hand man in the Canada board for years and what did they really accomplish? We finally got fatigue regs, although watered down and full of loopholes. Pilot pay and working conditions are worse than ever with no end in sight after this TA. So I ask you, what has been accomplished of significance by during Dan and Brian’s time?V1Vr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:06 pmIt was definitely time for change at the Canada Board.
Disagree. Brian Shury was the only right choice for the position and having a had a chance to hear him speak again at the road show and chat with him briefly, those LEC reps who chose to support a Westjetter with not much of a resume really fucked up.
Did you know he didn't even run for Vice President? The member from Air Transat who was elected stepped down in order to allow Captain Shury the opportunity to stay involved at a high level. No one expected him to lose the President position. The majority of all other ALPA carriers in Canada voted for him. Tim won only because two of our pilots let internal MEC disagreements get in the way of important National politics.
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Well for one, ggn and sky both joined Alpa and now one... The bottom feeder is gone.
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Wish it was that simple. GGN does not have a signed contract with ALPA. We signed cards then GGN put oil in the path of negotiations so to form a slippery slope. GGN are stating that they still have flying in the future which creates a barrier . Pilots cannot see GGN letting them transition to Jazz as long as GGN claims to need them to fly. GGN pilots are technically operating under the OREA contract still . So far GGN is attempting tactics to halt pilots leaving. For one, innuendos that if pilots want mainline it's best to stay at GGN. Maybe they should also tell pilots to get their yellow fever and malaria shots in case they have to go to fly in Africa under GGNs master plan to get more contracts . They are ruthless. The sooner that place had a padlock and condemned sign on the door the better . This is already getting nasty and GGN has not even started to get warmed up.
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You do not need to negotiate your resignation with GGN.Jettime3 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:57 am
Wish it was that simple. GGN does not have a signed contract with ALPA. We signed cards then GGN put oil in the path of negotiations so to form a slippery slope. They are stating that they still have flying in the future which creates a barrier . Pilots cannot see GGN letting them transition to Jazz as long as GGN claims to need them to fly. GGN pilots are technically operating under the OREA contract still . So far GGN is attempting tactics to halt pilots leaving. They are ruthless. SOS.
Jazz makes you a job offer (including DOH and full credit for service). You accept. Tell GGN goodbye.
Welcome aboard.
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GGN will have zero control of pilots moving to Jazz. It's as simple as when your start date comes at Jazz, you QUIT you job at GGN.Jettime3 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:57 amWish it was that simple. GGN does not have a signed contract with ALPA. We signed cards then GGN put oil in the path of negotiations so to form a slippery slope. GGN are stating that they still have flying in the future which creates a barrier . Pilots cannot see GGN letting them transition to Jazz as long as GGN claims to need them to fly. GGN pilots are technically operating under the OREA contract still . So far GGN is attempting tactics to halt pilots leaving. For one, innuendos that if pilots want mainline it's best to stay at GGN. Maybe they should also tell pilots to get their yellow fever and malaria shots in case they have to go to fly in Africa under GGNs master plan to get more contracts . They are ruthless. The sooner that place had a padlock and condemned sign on the door the better . This is already getting nasty and GGN has not even started to get warmed up.
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This is what they sent to us. " best regional airline in the world "
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