Which Canadian Airlines expect their Flight Deck Crew to also be Cabin Groomers?

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Re: Which Canadian Airlines expect their Flight Deck Crew to also be Cabin Groomers?

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Anticyclone wrote: Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:38 am
In fact in does matter as these long cleaning hours spent by the crews are taken away from flight preparation so its a bloody safety issue, its a latent threat that is yet to say its name.
Bingo. I have way more important things to do from a safety and efficiency perspective. Pilots have or should have lots going on in their minds, and this is a distraction. They can find someone to do it at a fraction of my pay.
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Anyway why can't it be about "status"? I understand the importance of humility but humans have organised themselves along these lines as long as there has been organized work.

I also think we can disregard .'s old saw about formal education as a red herring. Degree of formal education is only the smallest part of what confers "status" to a position. . fails to recognize his experiences outside a formal classroom setting, leading up to his eventual "status" as a professional pilot, are also "education" but again, that's a red herring. There are CEOs who started in .'s era with little or no education. The matter of education dictating one's status is a total red herring, and it's the only one in .'s toolbox.

Everybody knows about this. Some company executives like to give people work that is below their station as a form of institutionalized debasement. It's actually a management principle and it's formulated to let you know "your place"- in the interests of being able to capitalize on the things that come with a humble, or should I say humiliated, cadre of highly-paid specialists, If you're subject to it, you must know that this is being done deliberately. However, those office guys are not cleaning the toilets in their offices. Moreover, neither are their secretaries, assistants, mail-room clerks, IT specialists, marketing associates, filing clerks, CSAs, baggage handlers, tug drivers, et cetera. Those people are all "too important" to shovel biowaste out of seat-pockets: It's just you that isn't.

The guys in the tower are not cleaning the tower bathrooms. (Well, they do in Whitehorse, but that's part of a scheme they have cooked up and it's not because their boss makes them) Those guys are "too important".

Cleaning and grooming is a job. And it's not my job. I'm not afraid to say it, and I don't see why I should be. There are people in the world who have that job. I don't look down on them, but the choices I made in life are different and I don't have that job. None of you have that job. I get that some of you work for small companies and everyone wears several hats. There is satisfaction to be found in that type of company. But the rest of you- if you find that the people who are answering phones, photocopying flight plans, selling tickets, fixing the ground equipment, filing training records, et cetera, are not also cleaning the shitters and wiping out the microwave and emptying the bins in the employee lunchroom and passenger waiting area, then chances are you work at a company where some people are too important to do that, and they are not doing so because it's not their bloody job. You are being made to do that job by someone who stands to gain from your understanding that they don't think you're all that important. Ask yourself why. It's because they want you to believe it. It makes it easier for them to pay you less. I bet not even . would be willing to stand for that.
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Re: Which Canadian Airlines expect their Flight Deck Crew to also be Cabin Groomers?

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You are being made to do that job by someone who stands to gain from your understanding that they don't think you're all that important. Ask yourself why. It's because they want you to believe it. It makes it easier for them to pay you less. I bet not even . would be willing to stand for that.
I flew airplanes to earn a living and as my experience progressed so did my pay scale go up.

At the end of my career all my clients came from referral by other clients.

When I accepted a new client the process started with them depositing ten thousand U.S.D. in my bank to cover initial expenses and my hourly, daily or monthly charges were never ever an issue.

The best paying and best working conditions was flying for the movie and TV industries, the worse flying job was the air show circuit even though it paid well.
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Re: Which Canadian Airlines expect their Flight Deck Crew to also be Cabin Groomers?

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C.W.E. wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:01 pm
You are being made to do that job by someone who stands to gain from your understanding that they don't think you're all that important. Ask yourself why. It's because they want you to believe it. It makes it easier for them to pay you less. I bet not even . would be willing to stand for that.
I flew airplanes to earn a living and as my experience progressed so did my pay scale go up.

At the end of my career all my clients came from referral by other clients.

When I accepted a new client the process started with them depositing ten thousand U.S.D. in my bank to cover initial expenses and my hourly, daily or monthly charges were never ever an issue.

The best paying and best working conditions was flying for the movie and TV industries, the worse flying job was the air show circuit even though it paid well.
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Re: Which Canadian Airlines expect their Flight Deck Crew to also be Cabin Groomers?

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Meatservo wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:03 pm Anyway why can't it be about "status"? I understand the importance of humility but humans have organised themselves along these lines as long as there has been organized work.
Good point. If the employer values status and image towards pax, enforced by uniform policies including white shirts and ties, it's hard to understand they expect you to clean the plane in your undoubtedly meticulously groomed uniformed.

It would be different if they gave you some coveralls as a "uniform". Then they wouldn't care about status and it would make sense to groom the plane (from their point of view). But now they are trying to mix both things: dress to impress and perform cleaning duties at the same time. That's a bit of a no-no.
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Re: Which Canadian Airlines expect their Flight Deck Crew to also be Cabin Groomers?

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2 months and 4 days of no grooming.
Feels nice to have finally shed that hat.
I’m no longer morally or in principle tied to it, and I feel better at work with more time to focus on the proper job of a pilot. Mentally it’s also nice knowing WJ management is no longer able to take advantage of my free labour and pocket it in order to help make their bonuses.

In short , I no longer feel the butt - end of a long running joke cooked up by Management. It’s uplifting both mentally and physically. Hopefully the FAs are able to shed it too in their next agreement .



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