SR20 "Runway Excursion" at CYKZ (Buttonville)

[geneticistx]

Here's the story and the video...

https://www.bttoronto.ca/2019/03/13/sma ... -reported/

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[photofly]

Did somebody not set the date on their video camera? or is the video from another incident? (I guess it wasn't 2346 hours, so perhaps the former....)

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Nobody thought to pull the 'chute? WTF?

[Flying Low]

Sorry Goose...it's time to buzz the tower (and adjacent highway)!

[Chris M]

Less of an excursion and more of a road trip...

[shabadoo]

Did somebody not set the date on their video camera? or is the video from another incident? (I guess it wasn't 2346 hours, so perhaps the former....)
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Nobody thought to pull the 'chute? WTF?

Holy FACJ!

[FlyGy]

Did somebody not set the date on their video camera? or is the video from another incident? (I guess it wasn't 2346 hours, so perhaps the former....)
Screen Shot 2019-03-13 at 5.49.31 PM.png

Nobody thought to pull the 'chute? WTF?

They were doing circuit work and had just departed the runway. A little too low for the chute.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.5054538

[photofly]

Would have made for an even more awesome video, though.

Bill Chan captured the incident on his truck's dash cam, and it's been shared widely by various people online. You can see the harrowing footage below:


Chan told CBC Toronto it was his day off and he was on his way to a family meal at the time of the incident. After it happened, he said he and his colleagues rushed out to buy $300 worth of lottery tickets, hoping his luck would continue.

Should have plumped for some Boeing shares, too.

[rookiepilot]

Should have plumped for some Boeing shares, too.

Nahhh, Bombardier, the expert day traders only play that one.

[A346Dude]

They were doing circuit work and had just departed the runway. A little too low for the chute.

The approach was to RWY 15, are you saying they were doing circuits on 33 and tried to return (low level 180) for some reason?

The TSB is calling this as a runway excursion... in what universe is this a runway excursion? If you never made it (back) to the runway, how can you be said to have departed it?

[rookiepilot]

Looks like either an engine failure off departure 33, or they horsed it off way too slow after using too much runway on the touch and go. Hence the wing drop.

Only A guess, either way real lucky to make it across 16th ave, which is very busy. Extremely lucky to be alive.

[FlyGy]

They were doing circuit work and had just departed the runway. A little too low for the chute.

The approach was to RWY 15, are you saying they were doing circuits on 33 and tried to return (low level 180) for some reason?

The TSB is calling this as a runway excursion... in what universe is this a runway excursion? If you never made it (back) to the runway, how can you be said to have departed it?

Maybe this will help.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/ ... le-airport

[A346Dude]

I’ve already read the article and seen the video, if you have any analysis or confirmation on specifics I’d be interested to hear it. I know the article says RWY 33 but I don’t have much confidence in the Toronto Sun getting the runway direction right, or even knowing there is a difference.

[rookiepilot]

I’ve already read the article and seen the video, if you have any analysis or confirmation on specifics I’d be interested to hear it. I know the article says RWY 33 but I don’t have much confidence in the Toronto Sun getting the runway direction right, or even knowing there is a difference.

It's right. That road is right off the departure end.

[A346Dude]

I’m aware of the orientation at YKZ. But the video provides no proof circuits to 33 were in progress, it is just as likely it was a botched approach to 15.

[rookiepilot]

I’m aware of the orientation at YKZ. But the video provides no proof circuits to 33 were in progress, it is just as likely it was a botched approach to 15.

Plane is going north, left to right. That's the 404 right in front of the video. Had to be departure off 33. I mean, hard to see how else plane could be where it is

[A346Dude]

Understood, I was thinking the plane ended up on the south side of 16th Ave. Thanks for the clarification.

[FlyGy]

They were doing circuit work and had just departed the runway. A little too low for the chute.

The approach was to RWY 15,

Where did you hear they were approaching 15? Everything I've heard and read says they were a student and instructor doing circuits on 33.

[A346Dude]

I mistakenly thought, from another photo showing the whole scene including what I thought was the aircraft on the south side of 16th Ave, that the aircraft was travelling north to south.

[rookiepilot]

Different outcome if they were doing circuits off 15 and that happened.

Not nice options off the end, I've hated taking off 15.

Avoid if possible, especially at night when winds tend to drop ---

[gustind]

To the OP: Can you please put the correct date to March 12th? All the media reported it one day late on the 13th.

Looking back at the archives on liveatc.net, they were indeed doing a touch and go on runway 33.
March 12th 1730z Archive : http://archive-server.liveatc.net/cykz/ ... -1730Z.mp3

[A346Dude]

Ooooooh. I get it. You ASSumed.

Apology accepted.

Not sure what your problem is. I asked a question, you didn't answer it, someone else did. Moving on.

[FlyGy]

Understood, I was thinking the plane ended up on the south side of 16th Ave. Thanks for the clarification.

If you would have bothered to actually read the article as you claim you did.

"The TSB said the plane went down around 2 p.m. Tuesday, and came to rest on an embankment on the north side of 16th Avenue, near Highway 404, a busy multi-lane highway."

Then maybe you wouldn't have been questioning those of us who actually did take the time to educate ourselves on the topic.

Not sure what your problem is

I have a problem with people who can't be bothered to do some research and, instead, question other posters who are trying to help by sharing the facts backed up by sources.

[pelmet]

"C-FACJ, a privately registered Cirrus SR20 aircraft, was rented by a commercially licensed pilot for
the purpose of building flight time. As the pilot had limited experience on this aircraft type, in
addition to no recent flying, the pilot hired an instructor to provide some training. The instructor was
a Class 1 instructor, and a Transport Canada accredited Pilot Examiner.

On 12 March 2019 at 1342 Eastern Daylight Time (EDT), the aircraft departed from Runway 33 at
Toronto/Buttonville Municipal (CYKZ), ON, with the commercial pilot and the instructor on board,
with the intention to conduct some circuits at CYKZ. The wind was light and variable, so the aircraft
joined the left downwind leg of the circuit for Runway 33, and planned for a touch-and-go.

At 1348 EDT on the initial touchdown, the aircraft bounced and full power was added to commence
the takeoff portion of the touch-and-go. The nose of the aircraft was raised, the aircraft became
briefly airborne, before returning to the surface abruptly. The nose was raised again, and the tail of
the aircraft struck the runway as the aircraft became airborne again, albeit briefly. As the aircraft
contacted the ground the third time, the outer right flap hinge and right wheel contacted the ground
outside of the runway surface laterally, approximately 1000 feet from the runway end. The nose
was raised again, and the aircraft continued the take-off roll.

As the aircraft left the runway surface longitudinally, still on the ground, it struck a 4 foot high fence,
located 60 feet from the runway end. Past this fence, the terrain slopes down toward 16th Avenue,
which crosses the departure path perpendicularly. The aircraft crossed 16th Avenue in the air, in a
right bank, and dragging the right wing tip. The aircraft passed directly in front of a tow truck that
was in the westbound lane, and the driver of the vehicle captured the event on dash-camera. North
of 16th Avenue, the terrain rises rapidly; the aircraft collided with the ground, and came to a stop
approximately 250 feet passed the end of Runway 33. The two occupants were wearing 4-point
safety belts and received no significant injuries. The aircraft received significant damage to the
wings, nose, tail, landing gear, and propeller.

The aircraft was equipped with an Avidyne FlightMax Entegra flight display that recorded engine
and GPS data. The unit recorded data at 10hz, or one data point every 6 seconds. This data was
acquired and analyzed by the TSB following the accident. It was noticed that, following the initial
touchdown on Runway 33, the engine RPM and manifold pressure increased to full, followed by a
significant reduction, and then a return to full. During the touch-and-go attempt, the recorded
ground speed steadily decreased from 61 kts at the initial touchdown point, to 52 kts shortly before
impact."

Looks like a botched go-around after a bounced landing. The Cirrus itself is not a demanding aircraft to land but bounces can happen in any aircraft. It would be interesting to know why the power was reduced after being set to full on the go-around attempt and the discussions/actions between the pilots at this time. I don't know if time is taken by the investigators at the TSB to interview the pilots. That could give better insight for people to understand why the accident happened.

[youhavecontrol]

At what point did the instructor say, "I have control?" That's what I want to know.

[rookiepilot]

At what point did the instructor say, "I have control?" That's what I want to know.

....and how much was that "limited experience" on type -- if that limited in either time on type or recent flying time -- why wouldn't a class 1 instructor insist on some upper airwork first before right into circuits?