Twin otter on the ice

[linecrew]

Video of the recovery:

https://www.facebook.com/RCAF.ARC/video ... 957326021/

[godsrcrazy]

Thats your tax $$$ hard at work boys and girls. 25 technicians wow.

[BE20 Driver]

This was my first thought when I watched the video. We spent $15M to recover a $2M Twin Otter.

[godsrcrazy]

I have seen pictures of station 60 were the nose is just about ripped off. Borek our Rocky Mountain air could have probably had it patched and ferried in 2 weeks with 3 our 4 guys.

by WileyCoyote » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:51 am

From my experience, I think we would be better served by contracting this service out to the northern operators that have the experience to do the job.

Couldn't agree more. I know for a fact a few years ago they would hire the private sector to move people and what ever was needed into remote areas to open the air strips for their Twin otters and hercs. Not exactly sure what 440 roll is anymore. As someone said earlier they have no SARTEC in Yellowknife. So when it comes to search they can hire anyone to fly a grid. Note i didn't say rescue as i have never heard of the 440 Rescuing anyone with a Twin Otter.

[Donald]

I can't believe they posted that video, and are proud of their "accomplishment".

Considering their track record, they shouldn't have been there in the first place.

[Meatservo]

I have never been less impressed by anything in my entire life. What a goat-show. A Globemaster, three helicopters, dozens of men, millions of dollars,and three days- to accomplish what a civilian team could do with a second Twin otter, a tent, an engineer and an apprentice, some PK screws, angle irons and herc straps, and some cordless tools in an afternoon.

[frosti]

The techs from the vampire sqn have enough man-power and skills to fix that thing on-site, but the recovery was ordered by a team of officers in Winnipeg whom have likely never even seen a twin-otter in real life. That's the problem with the military, some fat guy in uniform with thick glasses has more authority than the people who work on the damn thing day-in day-out.

[co-joe]

What was the deal with the fish nets on the wing tips?

[GyvAir]

Makeshift way of making sure the wing didn't try to fly while being slung? Looks like two pieces of 4x4 laying along the spar of each wing as well.

[Mooney21]

These guys are being paid anyhow. They need the practice and they just won't be in the Mess at 1530 hrs as usual.

[SheriffPatGarrett]

Man...De Hav...seem like going forward mean getting worse...

ABOUT GOING BACKWARD AND GETTING BETTER?

You'd hit a four feet snow bank, get your ass kicked but it did not bothered the Norseman at all!

Twotter, single Otter, Beaver, Cessna Caravan...always crash! NOT NORSEMAN...would just drive away!

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In the Scandinavian peninsula, the earliest evidence of skiing consists of a circa 5,000-year-old rock carving depicting a skier with one pole which can be found in the municipality of Rødøy, pertaining to Nordland county, in the north of the country.

[lownslow]

These guys are being paid anyhow. They need the practice and they just won't be in the Mess at 1530 hrs as usual.

Gotta train for this kind of stuff anyways, may as well do it in a practical situation. The gas in those copters and Globemaster were already scheduled to be burned too, may as well do this instead of circuits in Moose Knuckle or whatever.

What was the deal with the fish nets on the wing tips?

Makes it sexy.

[PilotDAR]

Makes it sexy.

Is it possible to make a Twin Otter more sexy?

[lownslow]

Makes it sexy.

Is it possible to make a Twin Otter more sexy?

I would put up a collage of places where fishnets offer an improvement, but if I'm going to be banned it will be for something more epic than that.

[AuxBatOn]

In my experience, working with contractors often result in loss of operational capability.

[oldtimer]

SherriffPatGarrett, that white, gold and grey with red wings Norseman is MkVI CF-EPZ sitting on the ice in front of Calm Air's water base on Eldon Lake, Lynn Lake Man. January 1971.
How do I know? That is me in the red skidoo suit pre-flighting the bird.

[leftoftrack]

cause the Canadian Military knows more about twin otters then Borek, right AuxBatOn?

[TheRealMcCoy]

cause the Canadian Military knows more about twin otters then Borek, right AuxBatOn?

They sure know how to fly a pretty mean circuit in Yellowknife!

Also, I wanna know what they are being told/their SOP for going to climb power... Because holy crap do they ever pull back on the props fast.

[Antique Pilot]

SherriffPatGarrett, that white, gold and grey with red wings Norseman is MkVI CF-EPZ sitting on the ice in front of Calm Air's water base on Eldon Lake, Lynn Lake Man. January 1971.
How do I know? That is me in the red skidoo suit pre-flighting the bird.

Did you ever fly a Husky in northern MB or SK?

AP

[oldtimer]

AP, Did I fly a Fairchild F11 Husky, sure did. A couple of years in CF-SAQ for Parsons Airways, based in Flin Flon. Great airplane once you get it out of the water but colder than a well diggers ass in the winter. Southwind heater when it worked.

[AuxBatOn]

cause the Canadian Military knows more about twin otters then Borek, right AuxBatOn?

The military can accept some risks that a civilian operators wouldn’t be allowed or wouldn’t want to accept to accomplish a task. Our risk management processes from an airworthiness point of view are very different than TCCA.

It’s not so much “how” we operate the aircraft (which I am sure most companies have more expertise than we do) rather than the conditions in which we can operate the aircraft.

[TheRealMcCoy]

The military can accept some risks that a civilian operators wouldn’t be allowed or wouldn’t want to accept to accomplish a task. Our risk management processes from an airworthiness point of view are very different than TCCA.

It’s not so much “how” we operate the aircraft (which I am sure most companies have more expertise than we do) rather than the conditions in which we can operate the aircraft.

Would you mind elaborating what you mean by this? Want some clarification before I offer a response.

[rigpiggy]

You mean like rescuing people from the south pole in winter, or going out at 16500#, or into a strip with a full load of fuel for the military that brings in a helicopter to check condition for the military otter crew, etc,etc,etc....... sorry but DND doesn't hold a lock on sh!thot aircrews, and some of them that i flew with on their transition to big Red weren't as hot as they believed they were. But hey uni degree, and french they were guaranteed to get in.

[SheriffPatGarrett]

(The military can accept some risks that a civilian operators wouldn’t be allowed )
Of course, as an Otter or Norseman has only one pilot when the An-2 also had a co-pilot, a flight engineer,
a navigator and a loader, plus at least 5 crews waiting at very stops...Dont forget(SERIOUS!)the moskals carry a stove and chimney
to heat the cabin in minus 35 plus another stove for to heat the engine on the ground and(dont forget!) 5 sacks of coal...





So in real life, the An-2 carry the same as a Twin Otter, or the less than the Norseman...Remember, when I flew the C-46, we carried 60 passengers, fuel for all day and stop in 15 villages while The Twotter only carried 600 pounds pallet plus four pax to get anywhere...we had to dump the C-46 because Pierre Trudeau was filling his pockets, millions from De Havilland, passed around twotters like cakes for all the commies friends for Pierre...(Remember Pierre gave 30 Twotters in Indonesia)...who had dumped the lot in the ditches as even if these where given, still could not afford to buy fuel!





WE COULD FLY THE C-46 FAR CHEAPER THAN THE TWIN OTTER,
carry 50 more passengers, faster and fly forever

[SheriffPatGarrett]

that white, gold and grey with red wings Norseman is MkVI CF-EPZ sitting on the ice in front of Calm Air's water base on Eldon Lake, Lynn Lake Man. January 1971.
How do I know? That is me in the red skidoo suit pre-flighting the bird.

So, you are "Canadian Guy"?

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