Keewatin

[fish4life]

Why would anyone go work for keweetin as an FO when a 250 hour pilot can work for Calm Air and make 60k as a year 1 FO?

(Not defending Keewatin or their subpar pay at all) Perhaps the opportunity for a quick upgrade, in turn the chance to quickly build the ATPL required hours and then in a few short years work at a better 705. Saves those 250 hour folks from turning into a sad regional FO having to rent a single piston on their own dime.

Except for the fact that Calm Air is granting LOA’s to FO’s that need the PIC to go direct entry cpt on the keweetin king airs

[MrAviator19]

Why would anyone go work for keweetin as an FO when a 250 hour pilot can work for Calm Air and make 60k as a year 1 FO?

Year 1 FO at Calm Air does not make $60K, and definitely not a 250 hour pilot!

MrA

[fish4life]

Why would anyone go work for keweetin as an FO when a 250 hour pilot can work for Calm Air and make 60k as a year 1 FO?

Year 1 FO at Calm Air does not make $60K, and definitely not a 250 hour pilot!

MrA

It will easily be over 60K

average credit hours per month is easily 85 without picking up overtime on days off due to block growth

85 hours * 49.35/hour = $4194.75/month * 12 months = $50337
$89.50 per diem * 10 overnights / month = $895 * 12 months = $10 740
$1.55 / duty hour meal allowance * 120 (low side) duty hours = $186/month * 12 months = $2232
50337 + 10740 + 2232 = $63309 / year for an FO that isn't picking up OT in year 1
Add on 3 weeks of vacation and 2 weeks of biddable stats so 5 weeks vacation per year and it will blow keweetin out of the park.

now lets compare to Perimeter
Base FO medevac wage at perimeter is $41 937.08 + hourly of $3.19 (3.19*80 hours (low assumption)) = $45 000 + per diems
Base CPT medevac wage at perimeter is $95 600.70 + hourly of $7.28 (7.28*80 hours (low assumption)) = $102 600 + per diems + retention bonuses

so keweetin is far far far far far behind their EIC counterparts, as for 250 hour FO's at Calm Air there have been many hired over the last 2 years.

[MrAviator19]

Why would anyone go work for keweetin as an FO when a 250 hour pilot can work for Calm Air and make 60k as a year 1 FO?

Year 1 FO at Calm Air does not make $60K, and definitely not a 250 hour pilot!

MrA

It will easily be over 60K

average credit hours per month is easily 85 without picking up overtime on days off due to block growth

85 hours * 49.35/hour = $4194.75/month * 12 months = $50337
$89.50 per diem * 10 overnights / month = $895 * 12 months = $10 740
$1.55 / duty hour meal allowance * 120 (low side) duty hours = $186/month * 12 months = $2232
50337 + 10740 + 2232 = $63309 / year for an FO that isn't picking up OT in year 1
Add on 3 weeks of vacation and 2 weeks of biddable stats so 5 weeks vacation per year and it will blow keweetin out of the park.

now lets compare to Perimeter
Base FO medevac wage at perimeter is $41 937.08 + hourly of $3.19 (3.19*80 hours (low assumption)) = $45 000 + per diems
Base CPT medevac wage at perimeter is $95 600.70 + hourly of $7.28 (7.28*80 hours (low assumption)) = $102 600 + per diems + retention bonuses

so keweetin is far far far far far behind their EIC counterparts, as for 250 hour FO's at Calm Air there have been many hired over the last 2 years.

I'm never said they don't hire 250-hr guys, just that they won't be paid $60K. Anyways, where is this information from? Because this isn't what I was told when I interviewed with them less than a year ago.

But I do agree that Keewatin is far behind where medevac salaries ought to be.

MrA

[Yycjetdriver]

Why would anyone go work for keweetin as an FO when a 250 hour pilot can work for Calm Air and make 60k as a year 1 FO?

(Not defending Keewatin or their subpar pay at all) Perhaps the opportunity for a quick upgrade, in turn the chance to quickly build the ATPL required hours and then in a few short years work at a better 705. Saves those 250 hour folks from turning into a sad regional FO having to rent a single piston on their own dime.

Except for the fact that Calm Air is granting LOA’s to FO’s that need the PIC to go direct entry cpt on the keweetin king airs

You’re missing my point. What I stated was they could spend a few years at Keewatin (or any 703/704) aquire the hours and go to a better 705.
Instead of going to calm air for a few years, taking a loa, going to Keewatin (or any 703/704) then back to calm air and maybe then on to another regional.
You may think calm air is a decent 705 and it may be, fact is not many people want to hang their hat in Winnipeg or Thompson.

[A321]

Curious... What does the Keewatin Flight Nurse make.... sitting in the back of the King Air$$$$?

[yhz41]

Curious... What does the Keewatin Flight Nurse make.... sitting in the back of the King Air$$$$?

Lots more than the pilots....

[Laguardia]

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[C.W.E.]

Keewatin could lower their pilot wages and still have lots of pilots applying.

[fish4life]

(Not defending Keewatin or their subpar pay at all) Perhaps the opportunity for a quick upgrade, in turn the chance to quickly build the ATPL required hours and then in a few short years work at a better 705. Saves those 250 hour folks from turning into a sad regional FO having to rent a single piston on their own dime.

Except for the fact that Calm Air is granting LOA’s to FO’s that need the PIC to go direct entry cpt on the keweetin king airs

You’re missing my point. What I stated was they could spend a few years at Keewatin (or any 703/704) aquire the hours and go to a better 705.
Instead of going to calm air for a few years, taking a loa, going to Keewatin (or any 703/704) then back to calm air and maybe then on to another regional.
You may think calm air is a decent 705 and it may be, fact is not many people want to hang their hat in Winnipeg or Thompson.

A) who said you have to go back to Calm Air after
B) since you will have 705 time you will have a much better chance of skipping the regional step or in the case of an Encore be much closer to upgrade there
C) Calm Air is a great 705 company, look at the time to left seat and the years spent at the company on average for captains as proof.
D) Winnipeg is a better place to live than any of the Majors bases, at least you can afford a house unlike YVR / YYZ

[Yycjetdriver]

Except for the fact that Calm Air is granting LOA’s to FO’s that need the PIC to go direct entry cpt on the keweetin king airs

You’re missing my point. What I stated was they could spend a few years at Keewatin (or any 703/704) aquire the hours and go to a better 705.
Instead of going to calm air for a few years, taking a loa, going to Keewatin (or any 703/704) then back to calm air and maybe then on to another regional.
You may think calm air is a decent 705 and it may be, fact is not many people want to hang their hat in Winnipeg or Thompson.

A) who said you have to go back to Calm Air after
B) since you will have 705 time you will have a much better chance of skipping the regional step or in the case of an Encore be much closer to upgrade there
C) Calm Air is a great 705 company, look at the time to left seat and the years spent at the company on average for captains as proof.
D) Winnipeg is a better place to live than any of the Majors bases, at least you can afford a house unlike YVR / YYZ

A. My response was to taking an LOA. Do you need me to tell you what LOA means? Cause you’re talking about quitting which I wasn’t at all.
B. I’d assume going 703/704 for long enough to get the pic/total time for A’s then straight to a regional would offer a faster upgrade overall then calm air, 703/704 and then regional. You’re going to accumulate the total time needed for an upgrade much faster at a 703/704 as they tend to work you harder.
C. I didn’t say it wasn’t a great company. Just not where most people outside of Manitoba strive to go.
D. You can have your opinion that Winnipeg is better. I’d be willing to bet money that a very large portion of Canadians don’t feel that way. There’s a reason you can buy a house cheaper.

Good try

[FishermanIvan]

There is no way that Winnipeg is a better place to live than Toronto or Vancouver; cheaper yes. Better? No. Not even close lol

[goingnowherefast]

I prefer Winnipeg over Toronto, and it's not even about the money.

[TheRealMcCoy]

There is no way that Winnipeg is a better place to live than Toronto or Vancouver; cheaper yes. Better? No. Not even close lol

One persons' version of "better" is much different than someone else's. I honestly have zero desire to return to Vancouver or ever go to Toronto, it would have to be for A LOT of money.

[oldncold]

new recruitment scheme same ole lipstick on the swine

[flyinhigh]

The price of a house in Winnipeg has gone up astronomically in the past 10 years that it has really become almost unaffordable for many. As for living being better, well I was there 9 years and moved to Tbay and couldn’t be happier. Some would say that Calgary is way better (I wouldn’t). Everyone’s idea of way better is subject to the individual.

D) Winnipeg is a better place to live than any of the Majors bases, at least you can afford a house unlike YVR / YYZ

[phuckit]

I wouldn't work for Keewatin. I know people that have worked there, and it sounds like about the worst place you could go. Management treats the employees terribly (I've heard of them calling nurses after they've worked for 24 hours). The pay is below average, and they have very little experience in the cockpits. EIC cares deeply about their shareholders and management bonuses, and it's the employee that pays the price.

[FAF]

Curious... What does the Keewatin Flight Nurse make.... sitting in the back of the King Air$$$$?

I think it's safe to say the medic makes what both pilots make together combined. If you don't like the wage don't apply. Shouldn't take long and they'll bump the pay right up. Other operators paying 120 to 140k for captains.