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Is there any issues with ATPL application if you only bring the pages of your electronic logbook?
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Hilroy wrote: Sun May 12, 2019 8:27 pm Is there any issues with ATPL application if you only bring the pages of your electronic logbook?
I printed out my MCCPilotLog (now CrewLounge PilotLog) and spiral bound it to look presentable. Digital signatures on each page. No questions asked.
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Any good proprietary logbook software will have the option to output your data in a more raw format (ie .csv, comma delimited etc) so the fear of losing your data due to obsolescence is a bit overblown. Excel is great for complex accounting, total overkill for a logbook, and fugly as any other MS product. But it is ubiquitous.

I've been using LogTen Pro forever, but I was given lifetime licenses for the desktop, iPhone and iPad versions after I complained to them about the ridiculous, never-ending upgrade charges. I won't give them money ever again and certainly won't pay inflated subscription charges just to sync my data. So I just record my flight times in the spreadsheet (Apple Numbers/iCloud) I use for each flight (my electronic version of the personal checklists many use) and then transfer the times to the desktop version of LT Pro. Don't bother with the iOS versions of LT at all. A hybrid system I guess you could say, with no ongoing costs. Probably if I was starting from now I'd take a look at MCCPilot or whatever it's called.

Bottom line, unless you're certain you're going to be at the same employer for life get an electronic logbook. Or else be ready to spend crazy amounts of time with a calculator when it comes time to fill in a job application.
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complexintentions wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 7:20 am A hybrid system I guess you could say, with no ongoing costs. Probably if I was starting from now I'd take a look at MCCPilot or whatever it's called.
Unfortunately, MCCPilotLog (now CrewLounge PilotLog) has moved towards a subscription based system. I was able to be grandfathered in with a lifetime subscription, but I think new subscribers are out of luck.
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So, can mcc or LogTen also track duty and flight times for you? I've been using a spreadsheet an old employer was using but it is set up for the old rules.
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Been using a homemade excel logbook for nearly 20 years. Easy, modifiable and free. Great way to learn excel and VBA. Among other things, I have it print pages which I put into a binder and use an HP sprocket to add pictures to it.

A pilot once said about a logbook, Make it your own, for most it's the only book some people will ever write.

As for flight time limits and duty day, same thing, pretty easy to program. If you have a working one now, even easier to look at the formulas or VBA code to mod it to the new rules. (provided it isn't protected)
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AirDoan wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 1:42 pm So, can mcc or LogTen also track duty and flight times for you? I've been using a spreadsheet an old employer was using but it is set up for the old rules.
If it's a spreadsheet, you can probably edit the formulas in the spreadsheet to check the new rules.
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How is CrewLounge PilotLog (Formerly MCCPilotLog) work for folks? is it worth the subscription fee's?
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With all of the time off that I am expecting in the next few months, I am looking at a project to keep me busy.

I was thinking of an online logbook.

What features would you guys like to see in an online logbook?
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notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:17 pmWhat features would you guys like to see in an online logbook?
1. Free. No cost, ever.
2. Open. No restriction on exporting the data to a standard format (csv, xls, ods)
3. Eternal. The website should be there for the rest of my flying career.
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AirFrame wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:37 am
notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:17 pmWhat features would you guys like to see in an online logbook?
1. Free. No cost, ever.
2. Open. No restriction on exporting the data to a standard format (csv, xls, ods)
3. Eternal. The website should be there for the rest of my flying career.
:D LOL, that's the perfect business model to use to develop software. I want it to automatically pull the flights from FlightAware and FlightRadar24 and calculate my hours for me. Pulling the LiveATC feeds would be good too. Always nice to hear myself on the radio. It should archive the data by airport, alphabetically and by date sequentially. It should work offline as well. Perhaps updating all my devices via Bluetooth? Oh and be available to hear our complaints 24/7 if there's even the slightest glitch.

As for myself, I just use an Excel spreadsheet and have it saved to Dropbox and OneDrive.
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Pulling in flights from Flica or Crewtrac is a must-have feature for me. I'm sticking with mccPilotLog because of this until I can find a better option. I'd just go to Logten except I don't have a Mac.
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J31 wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:04 am How is CrewLounge PilotLog (Formerly MCCPilotLog) work for folks? is it worth the subscription fee's?
It was a painful year of weekly updates, tickets, and issues. I think I can safely say that CrewLounge PilotLog is finally a good product once again. I've also been playing with CrewConnect as a RosterBuster competitor and I'm please with that app as well.
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broken_slinky wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:50 am :D LOL, that's the perfect business model to use to develop software. I want it to automatically pull the flights from FlightAware and FlightRadar24 and calculate my hours for me. Pulling the LiveATC feeds would be good too. Always nice to hear myself on the radio. It should archive the data by airport, alphabetically and by date sequentially. It should work offline as well. Perhaps updating all my devices via Bluetooth? Oh and be available to hear our complaints 24/7 if there's even the slightest glitch.

Completely within the realm of possibility despite your pessimism... you might be surprised to see the innovation and level of community contributions and upkeep in the opensource field.
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broken_slinky wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:50 am :D LOL that's the perfect business model to use to develop software. I want it to automatically pull the flights from FlightAware and FlightRadar24 and calculate my hours for me. Pulling the LiveATC feeds would be good too. Always nice to hear myself on the radio. It should archive the data by airport, alphabetically and by date sequentially. It should work offline as well. Perhaps updating all my devices via Bluetooth? Oh and be available to hear our complaints 24/7 if there's even the slightest glitch.
Well that was kind of my point. Given you can do all of the things I listed with a spreadsheet, there's no reason to stop using a spreadsheet.

That said, as someone else pointed out, everything you describe is possible today. The problem with any of those features is just as you get them all working, flightaware, flightradar, liveatc, etc. will make some change to their API and bork your entire package. So a software company will need to support it forever to keep it working for someone's entire career.

Much better is to spend a little time learning how to use Excel (or LibreOffice, which I use, or Google Sheets) and make your own that meets all of your needs.
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Does anybody have a code for Excel/Numbers for a logbook? I am not very good at it.
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privateer wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:28 pm Does anybody have a code for Excel/Numbers for a logbook? I am not very good at it.
Shoot me a private with your email and I can send you a copy of mine.
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AirFrame wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:54 am Well that was kind of my point. Given you can do all of the things I listed with a spreadsheet, there's no reason to stop using a spreadsheet.

That said, as someone else pointed out, everything you describe is possible today. The problem with any of those features is just as you get them all working, flightaware, flightradar, liveatc, etc. will make some change to their API and bork your entire package. So a software company will need to support it forever to keep it working for someone's entire career.

Much better is to spend a little time learning how to use Excel (or LibreOffice, which I use, or Google Sheets) and make your own that meets all of your needs.
Exactly. Then the data is in your possession and yours to manipulate as you need.
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privateer wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:28 pm Does anybody have a code for Excel/Numbers for a logbook? I am not very good at it.
Send me your email in a Private Message and i'll send you mine. I have a copy with my content removed and some dummy content in there so you can see how it works.
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