Comments from those 'in the know'? AuxBatOn? Rockie?A Swedish aerospace firm that hopes to supply Canada’s new fleet of fighter jets says it could build the aircraft in this country, making maximum use of the expertise of domestic firms and creating high-tech jobs.
Saab’s pitch to build its Gripen E fighter jet in Canada further ups the ante on the $19-billion competition that will see the federal government purchase 88 new aircraft.
More grist for the F18 replacement mill..
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More grist for the F18 replacement mill..
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Re: More grist for the F18 replacement mill..
Brazil bought some Gripen with the same conditions. They will be built in Brazil and they will share technology with Embraer and other companies down there. Seems a good deal.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... rs-406213/
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... rs-406213/
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Good deal for industry. Horrible deal for our fighter force...
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Re: More grist for the F18 replacement mill..
The Saab is a 4th generation fighter while the F-35 is a 5th generation fighter.
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Buying something that has pretty much the same capabilities as we have now isn't something that will last us (in a meaningful way) for the next 40-50 years. It is a fourth gen aircraft with no advance in capabilities. No sensor fusion, no LO, shitty payload (even compared to the Hornet).
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I feel like this is a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Canada has just hot potatoed the fack out of this and we're now at a junction where the vast majority of options are now becoming obsolete, and the only 'good' option is a political landmine.
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Canada has just hot potatoed the fack out of this and we're now at a junction where the vast majority of options are now becoming obsolete, and the only 'good' option is a political landmine.
Ohhhhh Canada....
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In my opinion the best aircraft choice for Canada has got to be either the Typhoon or resurrecting the cancelled F15 Silent Eagle.
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We should just let NATO dictate what we buy, maybe cut back the lifespan to 30 years, try to save some money. Why would we need to keep them 40 to 50 years. The future is rpas anyway.AuxBatOn wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 5:46 pmBuying something that has pretty much the same capabilities as we have now isn't something that will last us (in a meaningful way) for the next 40-50 years. It is a fourth gen aircraft with no advance in capabilities. No sensor fusion, no LO, shitty payload (even compared to the Hornet).
You can be damn sure that regardless of what Canada buys, it will be the wrong choice in someone's eyes.
Just stop wasting money on competitions and procurement and pull the trigger already.
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FFS here we go, another multi layered thread on this issue from no doubt the same common-taters.
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Well, it's a complex issue isn't it?
Your own comment does literally nothing to help advance the discussion. To top it off you insult everyone. You sir, are the problem.
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Ad Nauseam......... yawn
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What Canada really needs but unfortunately cannot afford and is out of production at this time is the F22 Raptor.
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The Typhoon is capable of seeing off 99% of the threats Canada would face, from the obvious country likely to threaten its airspace.
With Kuwaits order for the Typhoon including AESA radar a Canadian order for the same type of aircraft would give a lot of bang for the buck.
With Kuwaits order for the Typhoon including AESA radar a Canadian order for the same type of aircraft would give a lot of bang for the buck.
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There is no growth possibilities with the Typhoon. It wouldn't last us until 2070. And at 90M Pounds (that' CA$153M!!!) it's hardly a good bang for the buck... Kuwait's needs are much different than ours... I wonder why most countries are buying F-35s .
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It's not a contender anymore (and it's also CA$141M a piece..)
As a comparison, the F-35A is CA$103M a piece.
As a comparison, the F-35A is CA$103M a piece.
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Just need a second engine for those high arctic intercepts. Long way for the SAR guys to go when the single engine stumbles in the arctic.
The modern jet engine is fantastic, but will never be 100% reliable.
Are the F35's capabilities great enough that it is worth the eventual loss of an airframe (hopefully not the pilot) due to a simple engine issue? It's a complex problem since these planes are supposed to go into harm's way. An engine issue will claim one or two airframes before 2070, so are it's abilities on the battlefield able to offset that?
The modern jet engine is fantastic, but will never be 100% reliable.
Are the F35's capabilities great enough that it is worth the eventual loss of an airframe (hopefully not the pilot) due to a simple engine issue? It's a complex problem since these planes are supposed to go into harm's way. An engine issue will claim one or two airframes before 2070, so are it's abilities on the battlefield able to offset that?