Careful getting fuel in Thunder Bay

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Careful getting fuel in Thunder Bay

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Careful getting fuel in Thunder Bay. The main FBO is Shell and they charge $2.45/l + some other charge + $70(!) just for showing up on the ramp to get fuel. Looks like someone new purchased the Shell dealership.

The $70 is supposedly a daily parking charge, but if you come back later in the day for more fuel, it's another $70.

KBM may have fuel for sale or contact Kakabeka Falls.
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Jeesh...
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I've heard/read that before. Apparently you can park on apron 2 for $20/day. I believe there is also an Esso somewhere on site you can call over for fuel too. Worth calling ahead in the North to check these things out. Copa - Places to fly is another good resource but often dated info.
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From the www.100ll.ca entry for Thunder Bay:

"FBO: Maintair Aviation (Shell): 100LL public: 2.402 ($0.25/L ITP (Into Plane) fee included in price); JETA: 2.068 ($0.25/L ITP (Into Plane) fee included in price); current as of 2019-06-20.
Note: $65 parking fee (not waived if you buy gas)"

Note the ITP fee in addition to the ramp fee. I'm happy to add similar notes warning of extra charges to other airport's entries on 100LL if people send them to me.
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Thunder Bay is about as south as you can get. You can literally see the US border.
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I was there last July. Could not believe these prices and charges. Never again.
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digits_ wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:31 am Thunder Bay is about as south as you can get. You can literally see the US border.


We're all very impressed Nanook.
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digits_ wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:31 am Thunder Bay is about as south as you can get. You can literally see the US border.
Where does Alaska fit into your equation?
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paddy wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:42 pm
digits_ wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:31 am Thunder Bay is about as south as you can get. You can literally see the US border.
Where does Alaska fit into your equation?
Let's see. If you can see the Alaska border, I'd say you're in the West part of Canada. Certainly not the East part.
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I find it interesting on the same site:

Pilots complain about how little they are paid, (including for example for flight instruction),

Pilots complain about how much everything costs, ( including for example, flight instruction )

Free market does work. Wages have risen, to support this...so must prices within the same industry. Outliers like in this story, there is usually competition (another airport)

Seems to me people want their wages to go up, and the prices for everything else to fall. Wouldn't that be nice. Math doesn't work, though.

Wages are low for entry level pilots. But, because airline tickets are cheap, many more pilots are hired than under the 1970's model.

Maybe everyone just wants to complain.

Just interesting that's all
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With regard to pilot wages it is quite simple.

What owner of a flying business would want to pay pilots more then they are worth?
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C.W.E. wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:46 am With regard to pilot wages it is quite simple.

What owner of a flying business would want to pay pilots more then they are worth?
I get the sense most who've never run a business, think it's reasonable for a business to operate at a loss so they can get paid more, or they are bloodsucking scum if they don't.

Then, when the business blows up doing this, they are horrible blood sucking scum all over again for mismanagement and laying off the employees! :lol:

Or THEY as pilots want to get paid More, but they want everyone else -- AME's, management, accounting, ect etc -- to get paid FAR LESS.

Do I have it about right?
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If they are worth more they would be able to earn it.
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Some employers just want you to THINK they can't afford to pay you more. I worked for a guy (non aviation) who actually paid ok. He drag raced all over North America. This guy was a multi million air easy. He towed his race car all over with this old cruddy looking '70s Ford motorhome. I said to him once "why don't you buy yourself one of those diesel bus conversions for hauling your car?" He said "I like to keep a low profile"
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jakeandelwood wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:47 pm Some employers just want you to THINK they can't afford to pay you more. I worked for a guy (non aviation) who actually paid ok. He drag raced all over North America. This guy was a multi million air easy. He towed his race car all over with this old cruddy looking '70s Ford motorhome. I said to him once "why don't you buy yourself one of those diesel bus conversions for hauling your car?" He said "I like to keep a low profile"
Do you think you deserve to be the multi -millionaire instead of him?

Why are you entitled to more than a free and competitive market sets as a value for a given skill level / experience?

I'm genuinely curious as to the thinking here.
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He just called him a "multi million air".
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last trip through ontario we stopped in dryden vs TB. cheaper less grief
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rookiepilot wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:06 pm
jakeandelwood wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:47 pm Some employers just want you to THINK they can't afford to pay you more. I worked for a guy (non aviation) who actually paid ok. He drag raced all over North America. This guy was a multi million air easy. He towed his race car all over with this old cruddy looking '70s Ford motorhome. I said to him once "why don't you buy yourself one of those diesel bus conversions for hauling your car?" He said "I like to keep a low profile"
Do you think you deserve to be the multi -millionaire instead of him?

Why are you entitled to more than a free and competitive market sets as a value for a given skill level / experience?

I'm genuinely curious as to the thinking here.
No, not at all. He paid me reasonably well, he is successful and I admire that, I'm just saying some like to flash their money and others don't want people to know they are wealthy for whatever reasons they may have, which may, but also may not come into play when they say they can't afford to pay someone what they are worth.
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when they say they can't afford to pay someone what they are worth.
If a pilot works for xxx dollars then obviously that is what they are worth at that point in time.
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C.W.E. wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:48 pm
when they say they can't afford to pay someone what they are worth.
If a pilot works for xxx dollars then obviously that is what they are worth at that point in time.
So the rich, lazy, entitled slimeball business guy is taking advantage of the "working people"?

Sounds like the liberal attack ads that have already started, and it really pisses me off.
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