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Re: Congrats

Post by munzil » Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:10 am

Diadem wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:38 pm
I've lived overseas, and I wouldn't go back.
you gonna answer the man? where did you live diadem? or did you just get called out for the liar you are.
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Re: Congrats

Post by Diadem » Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:44 pm

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haha - where did you live overseas? were you one of the voyager types who did a contract in southern sudan and then come back to canada saying how wonderful it is compared to 'overseas'

You sound like an american boasting about how free america is compared to saudi arabia being definative proof of americas superiority.

Seriously, where in the first world can you not do any of those things apart from the powder - and I can tell you a number of european countries also has that. All those things that you talk about no one in Toronto has or has very little of. They are still canadians.

To insinuate that the rest of the world does not have wonderful places to live is nothing but naive. Where's the beautiful beaches in Canada with great scuba diving and crystal clear waters? Just because canada does not have it, it does not mean that it isn't a great place to live - just the same can be said about australia not having powdered snow.

This topic is old here - full of people like yourself saying Canada is a wonderful place to live, so therefore we sacrifice pay. You my friend are an enabler. To enable the group think that says we can't live in a wonderful place and get paid well. Case in point - Australia - mostly get paid double what we are paid here. Has all the things you talked about (sans snow) But they still get paid a lot more and have better benefits and START with 22 days vacation. Why can't we have that here? oh that's right, Canada is the best place in the world to live, so we have to make some sacrifices...

March to a new beat will you - one that can actually help Canadian pilots earn a just wage comparable with our colleagues overseas.

As to all the canadians desperate to come back... from where? the sandpit - some, In my experience most are quite happy over there. You maybe meet only the ones who did come back. Still plenty out there in countries all over the world that are quite content where they are. You obviously have not met them - which doesn't mean they aren't there, just that you haven't met them.

Oh, and do things without permits? You must live in alberta - for the rest of us canadians we need a permit to sneeze. I have never lived in such an over regulated country in my life.

Again - where did you live and work overseas??

from one of your posts
I've been in this industry well over decade, I have many thousands of hours, and I work for a 705. I have a family, I've lived all over Canada, and I've travelled to Latin America, Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and South-East Asia
You don't say you have lived overseas there. Making this up as you are going along?
I lived in Dubai for two years. I would probably enjoy living in most of Europe, and maybe New Zealand, but I know for sure that I love living in Canada. I don't think in most of Europe I could take an M14 out into the woods and blast away at targets, or drive down forest service roads for a week without seeing any other people. I also served in the military before I became a pilot, and I'm damn proud of what Canadian soldiers have done for the rest of the world over the last 120 years. Just because you hate this country doesn't mean that everyone does.
munzil wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:10 am
Diadem wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:38 pm
I've lived overseas, and I wouldn't go back.
you gonna answer the man? where did you live diadem? or did you just get called out for the liar you are.
I'm not a loser like you who lives on AvCanada 24/7. I had better shit to do then constantly hit F5 waiting desperately for someone to respond to me. I answered the first time I logged in.
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Re: Congrats

Post by Diadem » Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:54 pm

A year or so ago, I read an interview with a woman who lives in Vancouver, and was lamenting the high cost of living. She freely admitted that she could have made more money literally anywhere else in Canada, but she didn't think it was fair that she should have to choose her income over her lifestyle, and she was demanding that the government intervene. You expats who return here and then lament about lower wages remind me of the hipster douchebags who refuse to move further than walking distance from their favourite organic vegan coffee shops, and then insist that someone else give them more money or cap their rent so they can stay living where they want. Ironically, you'd probably also be the first ones to tell those dicks to go work in the oil sands or become loggers if they aren't making enough money, but when you special snowflakes think you deserve it it's a different story.
There's no grand political conspiracy behind it, no one is orchestrating a plot to keep your tax money here. It's simple supply-and-demand, and you coming home dilutes the supply of pilots without any corresponding increase in demand. To AC and WS, you're numbers; the odds of you ever relying on your experience to get your aircraft out of a sticky situation that's so unusual that the QRH can't solve the problem are so small as to be essentially nill, and they don't care about your experience any further than any of your peers applying for the same job, as long as you meet the minimum requirements. They would gladly hire the most experienced pilots they could, but not if it's going to cost them more money. If you demand one dollar more than the pimply kid next to you with the ink still wet on his ATPL, they won't hire you, even if you have 20000 hours in a 777, because whoever they hire will be trained to the same standard. You're not special.
Boy, you guys sure do love free-market capitalism until it works against you...
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Re: Congrats

Post by sicamore » Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:33 am

Diadem wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:54 pm
A year or so ago, I read an interview with a woman who lives in Vancouver, and was lamenting the high cost of living. She freely admitted that she could have made more money literally anywhere else in Canada, but she didn't think it was fair that she should have to choose her income over her lifestyle, and she was demanding that the government intervene. You expats who return here and then lament about lower wages remind me of the hipster douchebags who refuse to move further than walking distance from their favourite organic vegan coffee shops, and then insist that someone else give them more money or cap their rent so they can stay living where they want. Ironically, you'd probably also be the first ones to tell those dicks to go work in the oil sands or become loggers if they aren't making enough money, but when you special snowflakes think you deserve it it's a different story.
There's no grand political conspiracy behind it, no one is orchestrating a plot to keep your tax money here. It's simple supply-and-demand, and you coming home dilutes the supply of pilots without any corresponding increase in demand. To AC and WS, you're numbers; the odds of you ever relying on your experience to get your aircraft out of a sticky situation that's so unusual that the QRH can't solve the problem are so small as to be essentially nill, and they don't care about your experience any further than any of your peers applying for the same job, as long as you meet the minimum requirements. They would gladly hire the most experienced pilots they could, but not if it's going to cost them more money. If you demand one dollar more than the pimply kid next to you with the ink still wet on his ATPL, they won't hire you, even if you have 20000 hours in a 777, because whoever they hire will be trained to the same standard. You're not special.
Boy, you guys sure do love free-market capitalism until it works against you...
You served in the military and lived in Dubai two years? You really are making this up as you are going along.

It's apparent you are lying from your previous posts. I do t know who you are trying to impress. Your lies reduce all respect for any argument you are trying to make

No one here hates Canada. It is one of the best countries to live in the world. This is not a GW you are either with us or against moment.

Anyway I've had enough arguing with a 14 year old making up his life.

Enjoy getting that pilots license, it's a good time to join the industry
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Re: Congrats

Post by Victory » Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:19 am

Diadem wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:54 pm
There's no grand political conspiracy behind it, no one is orchestrating a plot to keep your tax money here. It's simple supply-and-demand, and you coming home dilutes the supply of pilots without any corresponding increase in demand.
Air Canada pilots tried to strike for a better contract and were forced back to work by the government. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
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Re: Congrats

Post by altiplano » Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:59 am

Actually we just voted "No" and tried to negotiate, then the company said they would lock us out after the IAMAW said they were going to strike.
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Re: Congrats

Post by munzil » Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:23 am

Diadem wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:44 pm
I'm not a loser like you who lives on AvCanada 24/7. I had better shit to do then constantly hit F5 waiting desperately for someone to respond to me. I answered the first time I logged in.
I beg to differ. Looking at my profile I have posted .06 posts a day. Looking at yours you have posted .26 posts a day. Over 4 times more than me. By your definition that would make you a loser who spends his time on avcanada - certain 4 times the loser I am.

Now that that is settled, I'm still calling you out as nothing more than a liar as to 'living overseas' based upon your previous posting history. Were you a training captain on the triple for emirates? That would also put into question your travels that you claim. Military? my ass.

You're nothing but a blowhard that claims to be an expert on everything.
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Re: Congrats

Post by Skyhunter » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:58 am

@sicamore
Oh, and do things without permits? You must live in alberta - for the rest of us canadians we need a permit to sneeze. I have never lived in such an over regulated country in my life.
Proving you do not know much about Canada. It is completely legal in Ontario (and all the other provinces I have lived in) to camp on crown land without a permit! Which is all the man claimed regarding permits.

I have friends that went all over the place for big money. It works for them. I chose to stay in Canada for less money cause I can pick up my shotgun and go for a walk in the woods with my dog, whenever the F**** I want. That is important to me. I am willing to make less money to do that.

It doesn't make Canada a better or worse place than anywhere else. It does make it the right place for some of us. Diadem has some good points.

You calling him a liar with not a lot of knowledge about him, is more than a little far fetched.
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Re: Congrats

Post by altiplano » Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:04 pm

Lots of Airline experience in the recent course... mulriple OTS each from Westjet, Sunwing, Canadian North, First Air, and others. Multiples from overseas coming home too... Emirates, Etihad, Cathay, and others...

Lots of originally foreign born Canadian Pilots too choosing Canada to hang their hat also it would seem. Italy, Germany, France, Argentina...

Any of those countries would be great, I'd live in them, but obviously there's an attraction of living in this one... not the greatest at everything, not the greatest for everyone, but still pretty great... if we could only get wages up and taxes down and cost of living in check... I can almost handle the climate...

Would be great if I could take my SIG MCX for a walk too, have to bring the Mini 14 along for now I guess...
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Re: Congrats

Post by Kaykay » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:31 pm

Your lot in life is what you make it. Like most of us, I’ve lived all over Canada. And my experience has been totally different from one spot to another. Every town, every province has their own goods and bads. Other countries all have theirs as well. Find the balance that works for you and live your life.

And for the sake of everyone’s sanity stop telling everyone else how your way is so much better than theirs. It’s childish and old, and not deserving of any better treatment as a professional than you probably already get.
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Re: Congrats

Post by Diadem » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:41 pm

sicamore wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:33 am
You served in the military and lived in Dubai two years? You really are making this up as you are going along.
Yes, I certainly did. I'll tell you what, you take the amount you made in your last year as an expat, subtract what you made in your first year back in Canada, and get a bank draft for that amount made up in my name. Then, I'll give you my home address, and you can come here and meet me personally. I'll show you my record of service, my licence and type ratings, and proof that I lived in Dubai. When I've done that, you hand over the bank draft. Are you willing to take that bet? Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?
munzil wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:23 am
Now that that is settled, I'm still calling you out as nothing more than a liar as to 'living overseas' based upon your previous posting history. Were you a training captain on the triple for emirates? That would also put into question your travels that you claim. Military? my ass.
Same offer to you, numb nuts.

Oh, what's the problem, are you little pansies realizing that mommy was wrong when she said you were the most special snowflakes on Earth, and you could have anything you wanted? Are your wittwe feewings huwt? Did I strike a nerve by pointing out that you're no more valuable than any other pilot with an ATPL, and you don't deserve anything from taxpayers, or your employers, over and above what the market allows you to get? Because I haven't seen even an attempt at a rebuttal from my last post. Was there anything that I said that was wrong about your usefulness to an airline, and their willingness to give you more compensation than anyone else because you left the country? I await anyone trying to make a fact-based argument, rather than simply casting aspersions.
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Re: Congrats

Post by Diadem » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:47 pm

munzil wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:23 am
I beg to differ. Looking at my profile I have posted .06 posts a day. Looking at yours you have posted .26 posts a day. Over 4 times more than me. By your definition that would make you a loser who spends his time on avcanada - certain 4 times the loser I am.
Oh, and the number of posts I've made is not representative of the amount of time I've spent on AvCanada. If that's hard for you to follow, I can explain in greater detail and simpler words. I have made a lot more posts than you, but that's because I have to correct so very many wrong assertions.
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Re: Congrats

Post by sicamore » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:37 am

Diadem wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:47 pm
[I have made a lot more posts than you, but that's because I have to correct so very many wrong assertions.
You're very full of yourself aren't you?
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Re: Congrats

Post by sicamore » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:45 am

Diadem wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:47 pm
[Yes, I certainly did. I'll tell you what, you take the amount you made in your last year as an expat, subtract what you made in your first year back in Canada, and get a bank draft for that amount made up in my name. Then, I'll give you my home address, and you can come here and meet me personally
You sir, have a deal. I'll get the bank draft organized immediately. What's your name?
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Re: Congrats

Post by bythenumbers » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:13 am

Sorry if this has been answered, are transat pilots becoming ac pilots or will they remain separate? Is remaining separate even possible or desired?
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Re: Congrats

Post by TheStig » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:10 am

Remaining separate isn't possible. Merging the companies, employee groups and negotiating Collective Agreements wont happen overnight. There are a wide range of opinions on both APLA and ACPA, and say what you will about the ACPA collective agreement, Article 1, Scope is clear and simple. I'm not going to cut and paste it on a public forum. Since its creation ACPA has always fought for scope. It fought for the 50 seat and 75 seat jets, up until having those aircraft at the regional was the industry norm. There is language within the CA limiting the size of the rouge fleet with respect to the mainline fleet size and the airlines ability to replace the B767.

The concern with the merger is with respect to what will the wages and scheduling language will be within the agreement. From Zip, the the EMJ pay rates and rouge there is a history of concessions made for 'new' flying. A merged AC/TS entity holds a dominant position within the Canadian trans-Atlantic market and improvements over the current CA should be made.
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Re: Congrats

Post by fish4life » Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:36 pm

http://negotech.labour.gc.ca/eng/agreem ... 23006a.pdf

for anyone curious about the AC contract, its public as are any collective agreements so no need for privacy.
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Re: Congrats

Post by Diadem » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:53 pm

sicamore wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:45 am
You sir, have a deal. I'll get the bank draft organized immediately. What's your name?
I'm not giving out that information for free; you get the details when you show me the bank draft and proof of your income for the two years required. Send me a PM and we'll discuss. Or is your mouth literally writing cheques your ass can't cash?
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Re: Congrats

Post by Diadem » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:54 pm

sicamore wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:37 am
You're very full of yourself aren't you?
Since no one has rebutted my analysis, and I'm clearly correct, I have good reason to be.
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Re: Congrats

Post by Handover » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:30 pm

Diadem, you really are a smug piece of work. I can't imagine flying with you.

As a non expat I think what the others are saying is that we have it good Canada but our salaries could be better to match other countries with our standard of living.

There is nothing wrong with that at all.

You seem to be saying that others want to come back to Canada and earn more than Canadians. No where did I see anyone say that.

You really need to calm down and act a little more civilized. I can only imagine if a journalist was reading some of these posts. It makes us all look bad.

Chill
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Re: Congrats

Post by eyebrow737 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:07 pm

Diadem wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:53 pm
sicamore wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:45 am
You sir, have a deal. I'll get the bank draft organized immediately. What's your name?
I'm not giving out that information for free; you get the details when you show me the bank draft and proof of your income for the two years required. Send me a PM and we'll discuss. Or is your mouth literally writing cheques your ass can't cash?
You two are behaving like children. Act like the professional pilots you are claiming to be.
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Re: Congrats

Post by sicamore » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:37 am

Diadem wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:53 pm
sicamore wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:45 am
You sir, have a deal. I'll get the bank draft organized immediately. What's your name?
I'm not giving out that information for free; you get the details when you show me the bank draft and proof of your income for the two years required. Send me a PM and we'll discuss. Or is your mouth literally writing cheques your ass can't cash?
Oh no I'm more than happy to proceed. However I do doubt your commitment to your word.

Per your precise instructions, my last year as an expat was a sabbatical as a scuba instructor, which unfortunately did not pay very much - in fact less than my first year back here. This sadly would produce a negative amount for a bank draft, something probably not possible to implement, but I'm game to try. Though I'm not sure one can create a bank draft without the name of the payee.

I can, of course, back this all up with licenses and log books, tax statements and even passport stamps. I'll of course remove any identifying details.

If I forward your requested details, I have your word that you will supply your name and proof of residency you have said you will?

Or will your ass not be prepared to cash your motor mouths cheques as you so eloquently put.
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Re: Congrats

Post by altiplano » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:12 am

Settle this like men:

YYZ Viscount parking lot, Level 5, 15:00.

Let's see some real taxable benefits.
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Re: Congrats

Post by speedah » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:27 pm

altiplano wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:12 am
Settle this like men:

YYZ Viscount parking lot, Level 5, 15:00.

Let's see some real taxable benefits.
Better show up an hour early to find a parking spot!
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Re: Congrats

Post by BTD » Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:13 pm

speedah wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:27 pm
altiplano wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:12 am
Settle this like men:

YYZ Viscount parking lot, Level 5, 15:00.

Let's see some real taxable benefits.
Better show up an hour early to find a parking spot!
Don’t forget to wear your uniform.
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