Logging X-C time
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Re: Logging X-C time
Well I believe (but no I'm not going to look for a reference) you have to have some sort of view limiting device. If you are flying in VMC and you can see the horizon then it isn't really flying by sole reference to the instruments. Who are we kidding anyways, Otto is probably flying!
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Re: Logging X-C time
The limiting device is only required on the test, AFAIK. I don't think it has anything to do with logging simulated instruments.Cap'n P8 wrote:Well I believe (but no I'm not going to look for a reference) you have to have some sort of view limiting device. If you are flying in VMC and you can see the horizon then it isn't really flying by sole reference to the instruments. Who are we kidding anyways, Otto is probably flying!
That'd be nice that after take off, you examiner gives you your first system's malfunction : Otto can't do its job anymore
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Re: Logging X-C time
Maybe not, I don't really know. But I do believe the intent of the licence requirements is to prove your capability to fly the airplane without outside reference and if you can see outside doesn't that defeat the purpose.
Plus at that stage of your career, I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunity to log actual instrument anyways.
Plus at that stage of your career, I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunity to log actual instrument anyways.
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Re: Logging X-C time
the reason i asked the inital question in this thread is because i became curious as to what x-c time was when i was tallying up my ATPL times. in the ATPL regs (unlike the PPL, CPL) dont list any requirements for the x-c time, they just say you need to have it. the amount of time is not an issue for me, it was just a curiosity thing.Cap'n P8 wrote: Trust me, by the time yo start working after your CPL, XC will not be any issue (well maybe the night part if you're flying floats.)
ditto, thats why i asked for the ref. id rather know if im wrong.In any case please feel free to enlighten me if you feel I have it wrong, it has certainly happened before.
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Re: Logging X-C time
Honestly Tim, they are really only going to confirm that you did the required XC flight (the one specified in the standards for the licence) and that you have the required XC time. They are not going to look at each leg and measure the distance from each airport to airport.
I am still curious to know what you think I have wrong in regards to logging instrument time?
I am still curious to know what you think I have wrong in regards to logging instrument time?
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Re: Logging X-C time
Actually, I think that hoods are prohibited (or at least discouraged) on PPC rides. They still might be used on ordinary IFR rides, but it is at the discretion of the examiner.AuxBatOn wrote:The limiting device is only required on the test, AFAIK. I don't think it has anything to do with logging simulated instruments.Cap'n P8 wrote:Well I believe (but no I'm not going to look for a reference) you have to have some sort of view limiting device. If you are flying in VMC and you can see the horizon then it isn't really flying by sole reference to the instruments. Who are we kidding anyways, Otto is probably flying!
That'd be nice that after take off, you examiner gives you your first system's malfunction : Otto can't do its job anymore
Re: Logging X-C time
This I don't know, but most of a PPC ride will be with the aforementioned Otto flying anyways.
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Re: Logging X-C time
Other Equipmentsakism wrote:They still might be used on ordinary IFR rides, but it is at the discretion of the examiner.
The candidate will supply the following publications and ancillary equipment:
(a) electronic data bases, enroute, terminal and approach charts for the area where the flight test is to
occur must be appropriate and current and, if the test is conducted in Canada, a current Canada Flight
Supplement;
(b) where the flight test is conducted in an aircraft, an effective means of excluding outside visual reference
to simulate instrument flight conditions, while maintaining a safe level of visibility for the examiner or
safety pilot.
Re: Logging X-C time
I view it as pretty simple. The CAR's recognize 4 categories of logging flight: DAY / NIGHT and VFR / IFR. CAR 401.08 (2)(e). When people quote cross country time in excess of 25nm or 50nm, I believe they are confusing that with the requirement to file a flight plan or itinerary, which is not the case.
VFR and IFR is a flight rule, Day / Night is a flight condition, cross country / PIC is type of piloting. You may have any combination. Day VFR PIC X-Country, Night IFR SIC local, etc....As for logging XC flight time - did you use any approved navigation methods to reach a destination away from home? If you are shooting approaches at your local airport that's just plain IFR flight time. But fly to another airport and land, that becomes cross country time...well because you traveled "across country" to get somewhere!
VFR or IFR, same thing. You fly a KingAir 200 as PIC from Oshawa to Hamilton on an IFR flight plan on a CAVOK day at 1PM: you are recording time as Multi-Engine Day PIC Cross Country IFR with the approach and you're not under a hood. If you had to separate actual IMC as some above suggest then this pilot would have to separate time above and below class-A airspace? I doubt that.
VFR and IFR is a flight rule, Day / Night is a flight condition, cross country / PIC is type of piloting. You may have any combination. Day VFR PIC X-Country, Night IFR SIC local, etc....As for logging XC flight time - did you use any approved navigation methods to reach a destination away from home? If you are shooting approaches at your local airport that's just plain IFR flight time. But fly to another airport and land, that becomes cross country time...well because you traveled "across country" to get somewhere!
VFR or IFR, same thing. You fly a KingAir 200 as PIC from Oshawa to Hamilton on an IFR flight plan on a CAVOK day at 1PM: you are recording time as Multi-Engine Day PIC Cross Country IFR with the approach and you're not under a hood. If you had to separate actual IMC as some above suggest then this pilot would have to separate time above and below class-A airspace? I doubt that.
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Re: Logging X-C time
Do you realize you just responded to a thread that is over 10 years old?