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best/quickest FTU Ontario for class 4 instructor renewal

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Trying to find out the quickest/best FTU in the Southern Ontario region to renew a class 4 flight instructor rating.
Thanks and hope to hear from others in my position.
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marakii wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:54 am
Trying to find out the quickest/best FTU in the Southern Ontario region to renew a class 4 flight instructor rating.
Thanks and hope to hear from others in my position.
Which one do you want, quickest or best?
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Re: best/quickest FTU Ontario for class 4 instructor renewal

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Aviatard wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:48 pm
marakii wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:54 am
Trying to find out the quickest/best FTU in the Southern Ontario region to renew a class 4 flight instructor rating.
Thanks and hope to hear from others in my position.
Which one do you want, quickest or best?
Doesn’t matter
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Re: best/quickest FTU Ontario for class 4 instructor renewal

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marakii wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:06 am
Aviatard wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:48 pm
marakii wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:54 am
Trying to find out the quickest/best FTU in the Southern Ontario region to renew a class 4 flight instructor rating.
Thanks and hope to hear from others in my position.
Which one do you want, quickest or best?
Doesn’t matter
It looks like only a few are training for the instructor rating,, Kitchener, Brampton, brantford and with the first two you’re looking at a long wait.
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Spectrum Airways in Burlington also does instructor training, however you are looking at an 8 week wait to start.
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Or freelance, start the same day possibly, finish in less than 8 weeks and pay 60% of the cost of a flight school. This is a for a full instructor rating.
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Why don’t you call around and ask? Since it is just a renewal, shouldn’t be tough to find without taking longer than a couple of weeks to book an examiner. A renewal and initial are two different endorsements - many examiners hold the former and not the latter. As an example, the Cornwall examiner can do renewals but not test initials. Cornwall typically books same week.
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gustind wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:48 am
Or freelance, start the same day possibly, finish in less than 8 weeks and pay 60% of the cost of a flight school. This is a for a full instructor rating.
Sounds great. I'm curious how you calculated the 60% figure. Is that just for the instructor rate? Spectrum's rate is $90 / hour. Freelance class 1 instructors charging $54 per hour seems rather low. Then the student needs to get an airplane somehow, and to figure the cost of that in.
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gustind wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:48 am
Or freelance, start the same day possibly, finish in less than 8 weeks and pay 60% of the cost of a flight school. This is a for a full instructor rating.
Whose aircraft could you use?
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Aviatard wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 5:10 am
Sounds great. I'm curious how you calculated the 60% figure. Is that just for the instructor rate? Spectrum's rate is $90 / hour. Freelance class 1 instructors charging $54 per hour seems rather low. Then the student needs to get an airplane somehow, and to figure the cost of that in.
I know someone who recently completed their instructor rating for $6400 in total from start to finish all costs in. This was freelance with block time on a Cessna 150.

At Spectrum, the airplane dual itself costs at least $5500. Throw on the Private Career College Fee and you're at $5900. I'll give you the benefit of 25 hours of ground school at 2250 and flight test of 400 plus 150 airplane. $8750 with absolute minimum everything, the Instructor charging ZERO for pre-flight briefings and the ground school taking 25 hours instead of the roughly maybe 30 average. On average the student will probably end up paying at a flight school, or Spectrum , closer to $10 050.

So my actual number of $6400 compared to the projected real cost of $10 050. For simplicity sake lets call it 64%. I stand corrected.

Out of curiosity what is the hourly rate for Class 1s these days at ZBA?
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Whose aircraft could you use?
I know a few people with block time on Cessna 150s, 172s or Piper Cherokees.
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gustind wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:20 pm

I know someone who recently completed their instructor rating for $6400 in total from start to finish all costs in. This was freelance with block time on a Cessna 150.

At Spectrum, the airplane dual itself costs at least $5500. Throw on the Private Career College Fee and you're at $5900. I'll give you the benefit of 25 hours of ground school at 2250 and flight test of 400 plus 150 airplane. $8750 with absolute minimum everything, the Instructor charging ZERO for pre-flight briefings and the ground school taking 25 hours instead of the roughly maybe 30 average. On average the student will probably end up paying at a flight school, or Spectrum , closer to $10 050.

So my actual number of $6400 compared to the projected real cost of $10 050. For simplicity sake lets call it 64%. I stand corrected.

Out of curiosity what is the hourly rate for Class 1s these days at ZBA?
Last question first: the rate is $90, which I posted previously, and you quoted, and you also used to calculate the $2250 for ground school. What is your rate?

I'm not sure where you got the 30 hour average from. Of the previous 30 instructor ratings I have done, all of them have finished in 25 hours for the ground school. Only 1 required more than 30 hours of flying. So if we use your numbers of $8750 vs. $6400 it's actually about 73%. Yes, it's still cheaper, but to say it's 60% or 64% is a bit disingenuous, don't you think?

As for starting the same day and finishing in 8 weeks, I can't speak to that. It would depend on the freelancer's schedule and availability, assuming they have no other job or activities to attend to. I suppose it's possible you could contact one and have him/her say "sure, I'll be right over. Let's get going in 1 hour." It could happen but I think that would be unlikely.
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gustind wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:20 pm

I know a few people with block time on Cessna 150s, 172s or Piper Cherokees.
Ah! You mean its cheaper with YOU!
If you want to advertise to the OP, don't be coy about it, just do it openly, ok?
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photofly wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:15 am
gustind wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:20 pm

I know a few people with block time on Cessna 150s, 172s or Piper Cherokees.
Ah! You mean its cheaper with YOU!
If you want to advertise to the OP, don't be coy about it, just do it openly, ok?
I do not sell block time on any of those aircraft.

I have already PM'd the OP with details to help him a few days ago.
Aviatard wrote:
I should have reformatted my question, how much do you make per hour as a Class 1 at Spectrum? Out of the 90 dollars the flight school charges, how much is the flight school paying you?

Since you've pumped out 30 instructors, is there any way you can go and find out the average cost your students have spent on their ratings with you? I'm using real world numbers and maybe you can offer concrete figures based on your experience.

For myself, I charge $60 an hour when I freelance with additional fees on top of that.
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