Snowbird 5 Ejected in Atlanta

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Re: Snowbird 5 Ejected in Atlanta

Post by AuxBatOn » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:41 am

Worst Dutch Roll ever, side by side cockpit. I can think of many better form platforms out there...
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Re: Snowbird 5 Ejected in Atlanta

Post by FlyGy » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:00 pm

AuxBatOn wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:41 am
Worst Dutch Roll ever, side by side cockpit. I can think of many better form platforms out there...
How many hours do you have in the Tutor?
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Re: Snowbird 5 Ejected in Atlanta

Post by AuxBatOn » Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:49 pm

FlyGy wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:00 pm
AuxBatOn wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:41 am
Worst Dutch Roll ever, side by side cockpit. I can think of many better form platforms out there...
How many hours do you have in the Tutor?
450 hrs and still flying it.
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Re: Snowbird 5 Ejected in Atlanta

Post by FlyGy » Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:59 pm

AuxBatOn wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:49 pm
FlyGy wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:00 pm
AuxBatOn wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:41 am
Worst Dutch Roll ever, side by side cockpit. I can think of many better form platforms out there...
How many hours do you have in the Tutor?
450 hrs and still flying it.
Way to screw up my comeback about leaving the critiques to the people who actually fly the things...(walks away grumbling)

What would you consider a better platform then?

Genuine interest BTW, I know less than nothing.
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Re: Snowbird 5 Ejected in Atlanta

Post by Outlaw58 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:35 pm

AuxBatOn wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:49 pm
FlyGy wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:00 pm
AuxBatOn wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:41 am
Worst Dutch Roll ever, side by side cockpit. I can think of many better form platforms out there...
How many hours do you have in the Tutor?
450 hrs and still flying it.
450 hours, still flying the tutor, speaks French....

Dude, gonna be hard to remain anonymous ;)

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Re: Snowbird 5 Ejected in Atlanta

Post by AuxBatOn » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:06 pm

Outlaw58 wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:35 pm
AuxBatOn wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:49 pm
FlyGy wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:00 pm


How many hours do you have in the Tutor?
450 hrs and still flying it.
450 hours, still flying the tutor, speaks French....

Dude, gonna be hard to remain anonymous ;)

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Many CF pilots speak French, either as a first or second language ;)
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Re: Snowbird 5 Ejected in Atlanta

Post by Outlaw58 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:38 am

AuxBatOn wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:06 pm
Outlaw58 wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:35 pm
AuxBatOn wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:49 pm


450 hrs and still flying it.
450 hours, still flying the tutor, speaks French....

Dude, gonna be hard to remain anonymous ;)

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Many CF pilots speak French, either as a first or second language ;)
You know what I meant :)

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Re: Snowbird 5 Ejected in Atlanta

Post by iflyforpie » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:29 am

I wouldn’t have thought that a straight-winged t-tailed jet flown primarily below 5000 feet ASL would have Dutch Roll issues.

But honestly one of the reasons why I love the Snowbirds so much is what they can do with that jet that is lacking in comparison to other platforms. The energy management and formation work is so superb given what they have to work with.
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Re: Snowbird 5 Ejected in Atlanta

Post by AuxBatOn » Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:36 am

iflyforpie wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:29 am
I wouldn’t have thought that a straight-winged t-tailed jet flown primarily below 5000 feet ASL would have Dutch Roll issues.

But honestly one of the reasons why I love the Snowbirds so much is what they can do with that jet that is lacking in comparison to other platforms. The energy management and formation work is so superb given what they have to work with.
Dutch roll is a dynamic lateral-directional mode. It can happen at any airspeed, any altitude. It is worse at high altitude, as the damping ratio is lower however the Tutor suffers fairly severe dutch roll in any configuration at any airspeed and altitude. It is fairy “snaky” (more yaw than roll) and has a natural frequency of approx. 1HZ. It is lightly damped (ie: it’ll go forever) and is easily excitable (any lateral or directional control input or any gust will excite it) It is really annoying...
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Re: Snowbird 5 Ejected in Atlanta

Post by Schooner69A » Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:46 pm

I did a trip or two in the original Citation: it exhibited the same characteristic as the Tutor. Sitting at altitude watching the yaw needle go back and forth, back and forth...
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Re: Snowbird 5 Ejected in Atlanta

Post by Capt. Underpants » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:00 pm

Schooner69A wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:46 pm
I did a trip or two in the original Citation: it exhibited the same characteristic as the Tutor. Sitting at altitude watching the yaw needle go back and forth, back and forth...
Same here, the serial number of the C500 I flew was in the 20’s. After about 500 hours I learned how to counteract it for the most part, but sometimes it had a mind of its own!
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