AuxBatOn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:29 pm The paragraph above and below duly note “radar vectors” in sentences where it applies. It is not mentioned in this one, therefore applicable to all IFR flights assigned a lower altitude.
Example: “You are cleared to YAB, descend to 4,000 feet”. ATC is then responsible for terrain/obstacle clearance.
Subsequently, “You are cleared for the RNAV Y runway 25”. You become responsible for terrain/obstacle clearance.
The entire section is under "radar vectors", they don't have to explicitly say "radar vector" in every sentence for it to apply to that... this is basic linguistic construction.
Look at the subject at the top of every clause you guys are quoting:
8.6.5 RADAR VECTORING
1.5.5 Obstacle Clearance during RADAR VECTORING
I can't believe this is an issue with a group I assumed are professional pilots.
So for the new IFR pilots reading this, and to summarize:
Every ATC altitude clearance does not guarantee terrain clearance.
Every ATC lateral clearance does not guarantee terrain clearance.
When you aren't being radar vectored, you are responsible for your own terrain... if you don't get that you're a hazard and should go talk to your local IFR guy and see if he can sort you out.