Coulson C-130 missing NSW

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Coulson C-130 missing NSW

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"... in a statement, the NSW Rural Fire Service (RFS) said "contact had been lost with a Large Air Tanker which was working in the Snowy Monaro area".

"Local ground crews indicate the aircraft may have crashed," the statement said.

"A number of helicopters are in the area carrying out a search.

"No further information is available at this time."

Looks to be a C-130

N134CG

Really hoping for the best. Have seen too many ex-colleagues lost.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-23/ ... e/11893554
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Wow, this is alarming.....I thought Australia was pretty flat?? I hope there is no similarities to the 2002 incident
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3 reported dead, crash confirmed in the original link.
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Truly sad but I would like to know the series and if the practice of operating old military equipment under a restricted license is still being done. There is video of one of those aircraft losing a wing on a bombing run circa 2000.

High risk job and truly sad for what ever the cause.
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How separate is Coulson USA? Could the pilots be Canadian or is that unlikely?
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Daniel the crew was all American. That said, Canadian pilots could potentially work in the US division of the company, with proper legal paperwork. They are one and the same for all intents and purposes.

Very, very sad day indeed.
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Mick G wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:17 pm
Wow, this is alarming.....I thought Australia was pretty flat?? I hope there is no similarities to the 2002 incident
Australia has some very mountainous terrain in the states of NSW and Victoria.
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Flybabe wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:02 am
Daniel the crew was all American. That said, Canadian pilots could potentially work in the US division of the company, with proper legal paperwork. They are one and the same for all intents and purposes.

Very, very sad day indeed.
Off topic but I had a friend apply for their 737 operation in Port Alberni. He was told ain't going to happen unless he had a USA licence and a green card.
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brooks wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:44 am
Flybabe wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:02 am
Daniel the crew was all American. That said, Canadian pilots could potentially work in the US division of the company, with proper legal paperwork. They are one and the same for all intents and purposes.

Very, very sad day indeed.
Off topic but I had a friend apply for their 737 operation in Port Alberni. He was told ain't going to happen unless he had a USA licence and a green card.
100% believe that. For the average pilot, you're on your own to get the legalities covered. The company will not consider you otherwise. The only time I have seen it happen is for managerial capacity employees. My "one and the same" comment basically referred to ownership. Each division certainly has it's own legal requirements.

Again, very sad event. Condolences to all family and friends. Very heartbreaking.
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Mount Kosciuszko is the highest mountain in Australia @7300', so my country of origin isn't flat. not quite as comparable to the Rockies. But definitely not flat
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Aussiecat wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:01 pm
Mount Kosciuszko is the highest mountain in Australia @7300', so my country of origin isn't flat. not quite as comparable to the Rockies. But definitely not flat
Spent 2 seasons teaching skiing at Mt Buller. Skied over knee deep powder in the gum trees. What a place!!

Glad to see that the ancient forest was protected from the fires. I hiked in that forest back in '91. Funny how the press here in Canada said it was just discovered but the locals have known about it for centuries. They actually had a Forestry Ranger parked in a truck on the road where you get to it asking us questions about why we were there.



What they say is true, nobody is friendlier than the Aussies.
They had drive through liquor stores....I almost didn't leave.

Best way to show our support for this terrible tragedy is to get down there and see this amazing place.
Great people and Great country.
Best wishes to our Aussie cousins.
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The accumulated fatigue on these c130 firebombers can be terrific to say the least; its estimated around 6-8 times that of normal operations. For the sake of other pilots and thier families, I hope they expedite the analysis on the wreckage and debris to determine if the entire fleet should be grounded.
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Crazed Windscreen wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:17 pm
Aussiecat wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:01 pm
Mount Kosciuszko is the highest mountain in Australia @7300', so my country of origin isn't flat. not quite as comparable to the Rockies. But definitely not flat
Spent 2 seasons teaching skiing at Mt Buller. Skied over knee deep powder in the gum trees. What a place!!

Glad to see that the ancient forest was protected from the fires. I hiked in that forest back in '91. Funny how the press here in Canada said it was just discovered but the locals have known about it for centuries. They actually had a Forestry Ranger parked in a truck on the road where you get to it asking us questions about why we were there.



What they say is true, nobody is friendlier than the Aussies.
They had drive through liquor stores....I almost didn't leave.

Best way to show our support for this terrible tragedy is to get down there and see this amazing place.
Great people and Great country.
Best wishes to our Aussie cousins.
Is it just me, or this a creepy post in the context of what this thread is about?
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cncpc wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:53 pm
Crazed Windscreen wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:17 pm
Aussiecat wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:01 pm
Mount Kosciuszko is the highest mountain in Australia @7300', so my country of origin isn't flat. not quite as comparable to the Rockies. But definitely not flat
Spent 2 seasons teaching skiing at Mt Buller. Skied over knee deep powder in the gum trees. What a place!!

Glad to see that the ancient forest was protected from the fires. I hiked in that forest back in '91. Funny how the press here in Canada said it was just discovered but the locals have known about it for centuries. They actually had a Forestry Ranger parked in a truck on the road where you get to it asking us questions about why we were there.



What they say is true, nobody is friendlier than the Aussies.
They had drive through liquor stores....I almost didn't leave.

Best way to show our support for this terrible tragedy is to get down there and see this amazing place.
Great people and Great country.
Best wishes to our Aussie cousins.
Is it just me, or this a creepy post in the context of what this thread is about?
Well if your taking it as creepy it's you.
My connection to this tragedy is 4 fold.

1. I used to fly for a provincial fire fighting operation. And have lost friends in this business.
2. I have had several friends worked for Coulson's family for years.
3. I spent a year in Australia and have many fond memories of the place and friends that live there.
4. I have family that live there that are being affected by these fires.

So if I made you feel creepy by offering my support of the good people of Australia by suggesting that in light of this tragedy that the people would welcome Canadian Travelers with open arms, sorry.
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Creepy ????? where did that come from, not at all but perhaps your over thinking everything, jeez people are wierd
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Crazed Windscreen wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:17 pm

Best way to show our support for this terrible tragedy is to get down there and see this amazing place.
Great people and Great country.
Best wishes to our Aussie cousins.
Endorse.

Not creepy at all. Positively encouraging.
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Crazed Windscreen wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:38 pm

My connection to this tragedy is 4 fold.

1. I used to fly for a provincial fire fighting operation. And have lost friends in this business.
2. I have had several friends worked for Coulson's family for years.
3. I spent a year in Australia and have many fond memories of the place and friends that live there.
4. I have family that live there that are being affected by these fires.

So if I made you feel creepy by offering my support of the good people of Australia by suggesting that in light of this tragedy that the people would welcome Canadian Travelers with open arms, sorry.
This is not about you. It is always fascinating how people try to connect them self to tragedy. No body care you went skiing in Australia in the gum tree and a park ranger talk to you.
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Jean-Pierre wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:01 pm
Crazed Windscreen wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:38 pm

My connection to this tragedy is 4 fold.

1. I used to fly for a provincial fire fighting operation. And have lost friends in this business.
2. I have had several friends worked for Coulson's family for years.
3. I spent a year in Australia and have many fond memories of the place and friends that live there.
4. I have family that live there that are being affected by these fires.

So if I made you feel creepy by offering my support of the good people of Australia by suggesting that in light of this tragedy that the people would welcome Canadian Travelers with open arms, sorry.
This is not about you. It is always fascinating how people try to connect them self to tragedy. No body care you went skiing in Australia in the gum tree and a park ranger talk to you.
So I can't even share an experience with a poster from Australia (Aussiecat) that I have empathy for what is happening down there based on my connections to the place?

Sorry if I offended.
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It is useless posting. We all have empathy but fortunately don't all post about it. I remember on Pprune until a few years back, there would be an accident and the thread would have 20 or 30 posts saying "condolences". Finally the moderators said to stop. It is useless. The forum is to try to get information about the accident. Sounds heartless, I know, but we are not interested in your knee deep in snow experiences on this thread or your empathy as we all have it and it results in unnecessary stuff on the threads.

I could do a write up of my Australia express as well(along with ten other posters) and top it off with sympathy but what is the point.

However, if it is that important for you to share with Aussiecat.....use the private message function.
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Drive through liquor stores and knee deep freshies? Sold.

Hope the wings didn't touch each other again.
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Crazed Windscreen wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:20 pm
Jean-Pierre wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:01 pm
Crazed Windscreen wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:38 pm

My connection to this tragedy is 4 fold.

1. I used to fly for a provincial fire fighting operation. And have lost friends in this business.
2. I have had several friends worked for Coulson's family for years.
3. I spent a year in Australia and have many fond memories of the place and friends that live there.
4. I have family that live there that are being affected by these fires.

So if I made you feel creepy by offering my support of the good people of Australia by suggesting that in light of this tragedy that the people would welcome Canadian Travelers with open arms, sorry.
This is not about you. It is always fascinating how people try to connect them self to tragedy. No body care you went skiing in Australia in the gum tree and a park ranger talk to you.
So I can't even share an experience with a poster from Australia (Aussiecat) that I have empathy for what is happening down there based on my connections to the place?

Sorry if I offended.
Personally I am far from offended. Can’t honestly say that I know any Australians on a personal basis but it is a spot that I would love to visit, that and New Zealand. I have heard Canadians are held in high esteem in both countries. Please God(whoever he/she is and if there is indeed one) and continued health, the opportunity for a trip down under will avail of itself.

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Roar wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:23 am
https://youtu.be/84Dhkw2PwuE
So?....it looks like loss of visual reference but the video doesn't help, too much background noise also.

Has the video been checked for authenticity?
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I noticed an AD was released by the FAA for a whole raft of C-130s due to elevator boost assembly actuator cracking which can cause a loss of hydraulic pressure, and apparently can lead to significant reduction in controllability.

https://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/2/ ... -25-20.PDF
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