Eerie pics (pre Helios 737 crash)

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Eerie pics (pre Helios 737 crash)

Post by KISS_MY_TCAS »

Found these online, eerie but interesting so I thought I would share. This is the Cypriot 737 that crashed in Greece, pics taken from the F16s that went to intercept.
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yeah really EERIE!!!.....there fake.....this has been discussed on other websites, for one, in the pics is a 737-800 and that is not what crashed!
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There's cleary a notch of flaps out. I don't cruise with a bit of flap hanging. Not in the air anyway.
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Post by Blakey »

I'd like to hire whoever faked these; the details are very very well done. The lighting, shadows, registration, background, correct Hellenic markings on the F16s and even the heat ripples behind the engines look perfect. The fact that it's a -800 does pretty much clinch it that this is not the incident aircraft though.

As far as having 1 notch of flap extended goes; yes that is a cruise mode I haven't heard of since the 727-100, and that was in cruise climb, so I'm wondering just when the picture would have been taken? Not even a -800 would need a notch of flap to slow down to F-16 speeds! If the picture were real, it could be explained by the fact that a non-qualified pilot was at the controls. When, other than the obvious "when you're on your way to 2 notches" would you use one notch of flap?

The other big "tell" here is that the F-16 pilot is looking AWAY from the intercept contact. Simply not done. This guy is a wing man so he's watching lead in order to ensure that they remain a 2-ship and not perform a "RADAR merge" manouveure! This is very accurate but, in an intercept, if they are going to fly "wing", lead is watching the target and 2 watches lead.

Still, very nice work!
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Post by Canus Chinookus »

if it's an 800 then why is there only 1 exit above the wing?
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Post by Contact »

The indent of the 737-31S that crashed was 5B-DBY......the ident of the aircraft in this pic does appear to be 5B-DBY, so if forged, this individual did do their homework...
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flyboeing wrote:yeah really EERIE!!!.....there fake.....this has been discussed on other websites, for one, in the pics is a 737-800 and that is not what crashed!
For someone who promotes boeing :smt018 . The 737 in the pictures is a -3 series.
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I'm a first time poster and would like to add something here.

1. In a real intercept the last place the winger would be is close formation with lead. It drastically reduces maneuverability and is not in any way required. He would be off to the side and out of the way observing.

2. The F-16's are equipped with two exernal tanks which make them pretty heavy depending on how much gas is in them. That means a corresponding higher speed to be comfortable. In two of the photos the leading and trailing edge of the wings are up suggesting a much higher speed than the 737 with flaps out.

3. The 737 with flaps one would have to be doing at the most 240 kts. The most comfortable speeds for a fighter in close formation are between 250 and 350 knots. Outside of that it gets a little too sloppy going slow and a little twitchy going fast.

4. Each of the fighters in the photo are different airframes. Look at the weapon load and detail on the tail.

I think this is either a doctored photo (most likely) or a deliberate photo shoot.
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*WHOOP WHOOP. NERD ALARM. WHOOP WHOOP*
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Post by chief »

Thats definately is not an 800. The shape of the engine nacelles can tell you that.
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3Green wrote:*WHOOP WHOOP. NERD ALARM. WHOOP WHOOP*
CLASSIC!!!

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Post by whiteguy »

I think the last picture is a 800 but the rest are 300 series! 8)
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Post by w squared »

Rockie's right. While all of the pictures show two external tanks, the weapons loadout varies from one pic to the next. Also notice the difference in the "Rescue" markings underneath the cockpit. Good fakes, but fakes nonetheless.
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Post by Johnny »

FlightInternational.com wrote:Fake Helios pictures identified
Flight International online news 11:30 GMT

Hoax photographs purporting to be pictures taken from the cockpit of a Lockheed Martin F-16 as it intercepted the Helios Airways Boeing 737-300 that crashed near Athens on 14 August have been circulated on the internet.

Flight International has identified the pictures as high-quality fakes as they show a Helios 737-800, rather than the -300 that crashed. Efforts to disguise this have been made by doctoring the registration to that of the crashed aircraft.

The other key giveaways that the aircraft is an -800 rather than a -300, are the twin overwing exits, its fuselage length and trailing edge configuration.
http://www.flightinternational.com/Arti ... ified.html
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Post by flyboeing »

SURE! the ol' Critics are quiet now....nothing like being proven wrong, here are the first orginal fakes, with the -800. Someone realized there mistake and removed the second wing door.

http://www.flightinternational.com/Arti ... ified.html
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Post by Doc »

That Lake Erie shore line is a fake. That looks like Lake Superior!
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Post by flyboeing »

[quote="chief"]Thats definately is not an 800. The shape of the engine nacelles can tell you that.[/quote]

There is a very easy way to tell. The NG 737 (-600, -700, -800, -900) have a completely different hot section then the old ones. (-300, -400, -500)

Look at this picture which is a 737-300, http://www.airliners.net/open.file/902692/L/

Compare the exhaust cone with the pictures.

It's abviously not a -300!!
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[quote="bob sacamano"][quote="flyboeing"]yeah really EERIE!!!.....there fake.....this has been discussed on other websites, for one, in the pics is a 737-800 and that is not what crashed![/quote]

For someone who promotes boeing :smt018 . The 737 in the pictures is a -3 series.[/quote]


Now say sorry! :twisted:
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Post by flyboeing »

heres the pic thatw as used in the fakes, I rest my case!
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/517270/M/
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Post by Panama Jack »

Wow, you guys are good-- the pictures could have fooled me. I generally need help with spotting fakes-- not too switched on by nature.

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Post by sakism »

3Green wrote:*WHOOP WHOOP. NERD ALARM. WHOOP WHOOP*
Why do you have to be that way buddy?

That hurts.
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Post by arewethereyet »

Ya but its just way too funny!
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And that's OK sweety! :D
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Post by LostinRotation »

Actually the first thing I noticed, leading me to believe they were fakes is quite simple...under the intake of the first eagle pic, you can see where the picture was cropped and the backrounds are off. The next thing was the different configurations of apparently the same 16's. All the rest I'll leave to the airliner guys.

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