Corona Virus

[Kejidog]

“There are more than 340 presumptive and confirmed cases of COVID-19 across the country, with one known death linked to the virus”

From CBC this morning, I would give the country kudos for heading this off at the pass. What is interesting and more to the point gratifying,little if any bickering amongst all levels Federal, Provincial, Municipal governments. Also hardly any political partisan sniping and hyperventilating political bases. I give the current government high marks for dealing with the situation that is changing hourly.

Why do you think your cbc and the libs have been saying there are enhanced screening measures in place at all ports when in reality the "screening" consists of answering questions via a touch screen?

I give the libs very low marks.

“Your CBC”..... appears I just snagged one of those hyper partisans. Fair enough and your views are yours and certainly entitled to them. In my view any sitting Government regardless political stripe wouldn’t do any better/worse that the current occupant. It is unprecedented as I see it outside of the 1970 October crisis and I was around then and remember it well. I might as well ask what would “Chopper” MacKay or “The Toole” do if either of theses chaps had the keys to the big office. Failing anything they could call on their Social Conservatives brethren for input perhaps calling an immediate prayer breakfast, opening their bibles telling us mortals we are “ in their thoughts and prayers” and throughout the tough times continuing to “ pray” for all

Wow. In the face of a global pandemic i still see that partisan dicks still spout stupidity. Nice job bud. Feel better now you morally superior @#$!

[twa22]

Is this virus bad? Absolutely

Will it the end world? No... But human stupidity might.

All the hysteria and panic is a little excessive, I mean, for crying out loud, I went to 3 stores and couldn't buy toilet paper... Are you kidding me? What on earth is toilet paper gonna do? Hell if you run out in your home, it's called a shower, which because some nut jobs decided to hoard all of the TP, I may actually have to resort to (I won't actually, I'm sure I'll eventually find toilet paper, when I actually run out and need some...)

Seriously, the toilet paper example is the simplest one of overreacting... Counter meseaures should've been taken a long time ago but everyone kept saying "oh, the risk is low in our country"... I understand that taking the drastic meseaures that are occurring now would've been very consequential on the economy a few months ago, but they're consequential now, and probably worse then they would've been months ago (had measures been taken then)

I came back to Canada from working overseas almost 2 weeks ago before this became a pandemic... I traveled to many, many countries over the last month, some of which weren't really affected (then) to some which saw a massive surge in cases literally the day I was leaving that particular country. All I got asked at the airport on the e deceleration was if I've been to the province of hubei... Then the CBSA agent asked where I was coming from, to which I replied and he said have a nice night.

Seriously? Now they decided to put more "stringent meseaures in place"

Yea, sorry, what's done is done... I legit fear that hospitals will get overwhelmed, but I hope I'm wrong...

[derateNO]

Yeah I'm out of TP and spent an hour trying to find some. No dice. I guess it's poop then shower for me going foward....

Vancouver literally has a factory in the city (new west) and it's not like we're short on raw materials.

People are dumb.

[Eric Janson]

The TP shortage is a nice example of supply chain disruption.

It won't stop with TP - for example anything produced in China won't be getting re-stocked. Once the current supply runs out - that's it.

People haven't figured this out yet - once they do it will be complete anarchy in the stores.

[rxl]

The TP shortage is a nice example of supply chain disruption.

It won't stop with TP - for example anything produced in China won't be getting re-stocked. Once the current supply runs out - that's it.

People haven't figured this out yet - once they do it will be complete anarchy in the stores.

Better run to the local party store and stock up on goofy green hats for St. Patty’s Day.

[CL-Skadoo!]

I bought a case of Nutella today. Should last me three days, then who knows what I’ll do. Probably reenact the Shining. Redrum, redrum.

[rxl]

I bought a case of Nutella today. Should last me three days, then who knows what I’ll do. Probably reenact the Shining. Redrum, redrum.

LOL
“Heeere’s Jonnnie”

[ehv8oar]

Buy yourself some mentos and chew on them slowly. Ration yourself to one mento a day!

[Commonwealth]

The TP shortage is a nice example of supply chain disruption.

It won't stop with TP - for example anything produced in China won't be getting re-stocked. Once the current supply runs out - that's it.

People haven't figured this out yet - once they do it will be complete anarchy in the stores.

I wonder if this situation is the trigger that finally starts price inflation?

[North Shore]

The TP shortage is a nice example of supply chain disruption.

It won't stop with TP - for example anything produced in China won't be getting re-stocked. Once the current supply runs out - that's it.

People haven't figured this out yet - once they do it will be complete anarchy in the stores.

...So it's curtains for Canadian Tire, then?

More seriously, anarchy might be overstating things, but friction, yes...

[derateNO]

The TP shortage is a nice example of supply chain disruption.

It won't stop with TP - for example anything produced in China won't be getting re-stocked. Once the current supply runs out - that's it.

People haven't figured this out yet - once they do it will be complete anarchy in the stores.

...So it's curtains for Canadian Tire, then?

More seriously, anarchy might be overstating things, but friction, yes...

Why anarchy? What do people need THAT MUCH that comes from China?

We'll survive.

[North Shore]

I think that a lot of us would be *very* surprised at the amount of our goods (including food) that come from China.
And, it doesn't need to be scarcity of goods - even just perceived scarcity will cause an uptick in panic buying, etc.. I was in my local grocery store this AM; all of the TP was completely sold out - almost 3/4 of an aisle of empty shelves. We have a Japanese style washlet in our house, and I know that TP is made in a factory in our city, so it's not an immediate concern for me/us as a household, yet I still had a little frisson of anxiety shoot up my spine. What if it's empty shelves of milk, flour, veggies, etc...'staples' that are *always* there...I can see that sparking panic buying of a lot of stuff, with consequent friction as some people buy more than their perceived share...

[rxl]

Canadians tend to NOT be anarchists. If this hiccup in the supply chain prompts Canucks to anarchy, then it's all over.

[twa22]

What if it's empty shelves of milk, flour, veggies, etc...'staples' that are *always* there...I can see that sparking panic buying of a lot of stuff, with consequent friction as some people buy more than their perceived share...

Already happened. See my pics below...






























This is over the last 2 days from various walmart, no frills and loblaws...most shelves are either TP, milk, meat, veggies or bread...

[gustind]

I'd like to add that my wife who works in a pharmacy at the local hospital is sending out e-mails outlining how to handle the shortage of medicine. The concern right now is sourcing the correct active ingredients for meds, which mostly come from China according to the hospital. They are moving meds around between partner hospitals, paying through their nose for same day delivery from drug companies. They're making it work, for now.

It's just the beginning.

Also, milk. Are people freezing milk? I don't get why every store I go to does not have milk. People are also buying baby formula as a substitute for milk, leaving families who need that stuff out to dry.

[twa22]

Because it seems that people have literally no common sense... the virus doesn't appear to be that bad. The current number from confirmed cases and deaths is roughly 4%, which is probably more like 1 to 2% given all the unconfirmed/diagnosed cases due to asymptomatic people...and people are forgetting that the death rate of 4% currently is the elderly... majority over 80, with next highest rate being 70 and above. The death rate for those under 50 is virtual 0

It's contagious which is what is worrisome. I'm not down playing it but jezz this isn't ebola where the case fatality rate is on average 50%

[dhc#]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1240001521137471488

[rookiepilot]

If this is the worst crisis you go through in your life....life is pretty good. Just saying.

Things can be unimaginably --- worse

[derateNO]

If this is the worst crisis you go through in your life....life is pretty good. Just saying.

I'm getting tired over the hysteria of no TP and isolation for a few weeks. Just not that big a deal.

What is a big deal though is if people DON'T take it seriously and we end up with huge amounts of people in the hospital/ICU at the same time.

I think the attitude that "oh it's just a flu, young people will be ok" really needs to die. YES, you will likely be fine but being a potential source of the virus to others who are not healthy when you are a-symptomatic is the issue.

The longer this goes on the more I learn who of my friends are extremely selfish people. It's not hard to just hang out at home. If you HAVE to leave to go to a job for fear of losing it that I understand. But the amount of people I see still going to bars/clubs/restaurants etc. is insane. They just say "oh I'm young I'm probably going to get it anyways so may as well just get it over with." Bad excuse. It's not about YOU, it's about the 60-80 year olds who will probably die or could die if they end up in the ICU when no beds or ventilators are available. Or people who have compromised immune systems or lung problems.

[rookiepilot]

Yeah, do the right thing. Stay home. Cancel your vacation. Get laid off for a period. Even, Go without TP. Whatever!

Just don't bitch about it, as I'm reading incessantly on social media. You'd think everyone was world war 1, trying to survive in the trenches in France. FFS!

Not London, WW2, with the bombs falling.

These are NOT life changing events, for the overwhelmingly majority of people.

Life will go on!

[rxl]

Yeah, do the right thing. Stay home. Cancel your vacation. Get laid off for a period. Even, Go without TP. Whatever!

Just don't bitch about it, as I'm reading incessantly on social media. You'd think everyone was world war 1, trying to survive in the trenches in France. FFS!

These are NOT life changing events, for the overwhelmingly majority of people.

Hear! Hear!

[photofly]

Because it seems that people have literally no common sense... the virus doesn't appear to be that bad. The current number from confirmed cases and deaths is roughly 4%, which is probably more like 1 to 2% given all the unconfirmed/diagnosed cases due to asymptomatic people...and people are forgetting that the death rate of 4% currently is the elderly... majority over 80, with next highest rate being 70 and above. The death rate for those under 50 is virtual 0

No common sense, huh?

I'm going to guess you're in your twenties.

I have about ten near relatives in their seventies, and my mother is nearly ninety. All of them are presently in reasonable or good health, and absent recent virus pandemics, have a decent life expectancy. I'm very fond of all of them. Add in another half dozen friends aged seventy and over, too.

Statistically, more than one of them will spend weeks in hospital on artificial ventilation (if a ventilator is actually available at that time) and more than one of them will die from this infection in the next few months. Which ones would you like it to be?

[twa22]

Because it seems that people have literally no common sense... the virus doesn't appear to be that bad. The current number from confirmed cases and deaths is roughly 4%, which is probably more like 1 to 2% given all the unconfirmed/diagnosed cases due to asymptomatic people...and people are forgetting that the death rate of 4% currently is the elderly... majority over 80, with next highest rate being 70 and above. The death rate for those under 50 is virtual 0

No common sense, huh?

I'm going to guess you're in your twenties.

I have about ten near relatives in their seventies, and my mother is nearly ninety. All of them are presently in reasonable or good health, and absent recent virus pandemics, have a decent life expectancy. I'm very fond of all of them. Add in another half dozen friends aged seventy and over, too.

Statistically, more than one of them will spend weeks in hospital on artificial ventilation (if a ventilator is actually available at that time) and more than one of them will die from this infection in the next few months. Which ones would you like it to be?

You misunderstood my post. My no common sense comment was referring to raiding grocery stores of supplies and then not having anything left for others who may seriously need some of those things... TP you could get by, but some things like potatos or milk are definitely more essential... People acting in selfish manner by hoarding everything because they think the apocalypse is coming is not a good thing. Stores should have been limiting the quantity people can buy, because i do suspect its a hoarding issue here rather then everyone was at the store and wiped everything off the shelves

Don't for a second think that I don't care about the elderly, or anyone else who may be affected by this because of overwhelmed hospitals that could potentially occur... I sincerely hope they don't, and that people do take this seriously. I didn't say it here, but I said to my friends in January, action should've been taken then. There is a difference between overreacting and mass hysteria, versus being relatively calm and doing the correct thing early so we avoid what is going on now

[dialdriver]

The last couple days confirmed cases in Canada increased by about 30%/day, currently at about 600.

If cases increased by the same rate for 30 days, we would see 1.5 million. In 40, about 22 million.

Not saying that will actually happen, but it illustrates the problem.

[derateNO]

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