Is the 4 year flat pay worth it?

[vermont]

lol who we talkin about

That guy...

He was asking how to plan a cross country flight only a couple months back.

No credibility as far as working in this business, or managing a career in it, let alone at an airline level, is concerned.

Here you go Vermont:

viewforum.php?f=3

Come on back when you grow some hair on your pussy.

It seems really easy to get on your nerves It's like I have my own little fan club

[vermont]

Don't discourage his fresh-out-of-flight school insights. They're so valuable. As he pointed out, he's so very wise.

If you can't explain why I'm wrong, you just end up sounding like more of an ass than I do

My explanation is 250 hrs long...

Mr 250 I wasn't talking to you, it's nice having my own stalker though!

[altiplano]

lol who we talkin about

That guy...

He was asking how to plan a cross country flight only a couple months back.

No credibility as far as working in this business, or managing a career in it, let alone at an airline level, is concerned.

Here you go Vermont:

viewforum.php?f=3

Come on back when you grow some hair on your pussy.

It seems really easy to get on your nerves It's like I have my own little fan club

It must be tough to realize that you aren't going to be successful. Better go have a good cry about it and then cut your losses...

[dialdriver]

If you can't explain why I'm wrong, you just end up sounding like more of an ass than I do

My explanation is 250 hrs long...

Mr 250 I wasn't talking to you, it's nice having my own stalker though!

ouch...

[ToolShed]

Regardless, Air Canada flat pay and benefits are better than instructing

[vermont]

Regardless, Air Canada flat pay and benefits are better than instructing

100 percent agreed! I wonder is instructing equally bad everywhere?

[vermont]

That guy...

He was asking how to plan a cross country flight only a couple months back.

No credibility as far as working in this business, or managing a career in it, let alone at an airline level, is concerned.

Here you go Vermont:

viewforum.php?f=3

Come on back when you grow some hair on your pussy.

It seems really easy to get on your nerves It's like I have my own little fan club

It must be tough to realize that you aren't going to be successful. Better go have a good cry about it and then cut your losses...

Successful enough to have my own group of stalkers

[780Pilot]

Well at least the first 4 posts were helpful

[paytoplay]

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[ToolShed]

Regardless, Air Canada flat pay and benefits are better than instructing

100 percent agreed! I wonder is instructing equally bad everywhere?

Not necessarily .. Conditions wise I had a rough instructing job in the US for 10.5 months but pay wise I received the CDN equivalent of just under 70k however I worked like a dog to get it. 6 days a week 10-14hr days

This right here is what is wrong with the aviation pay system. Work like a dog...had it rough...but hell i got the WATCH!

How about you just say, NO.

Please, when companies come grovelling looking for pilots...don't fly jumpers for free.

[KenoraPilot]

Well at least the first 4 posts were helpful

To be honest, you'll need a bit of time prior to even applying to Jazz (they're hiring around 800-1500TT + Multi), and then if you're successful at Jazz there are 600+ pilots at Jazz waiting to go to AC who are by seniority going to go first. So best case scenario (including Covid-19) you're 4-6 years away from going to AC even if you're successful at the AC interview. So my suggestion is make AC the goal which is great, but don't worry about AC too much yet. You've got to do some time building, then give it a crack at Jazz and see what happens. Hope for the best but plan for the worst.
Good luck, just focus on getting a good job right now that will gain you some valuable experience to make your resume attractive to Jazz.

[780Pilot]

Well at least the first 4 posts were helpful

To be honest, you'll need a bit of time prior to even applying to Jazz (they're hiring around 800-1500TT + Multi), and then if you're successful at Jazz there are 600+ pilots at Jazz waiting to go to AC who are by seniority going to go first. So best case scenario (including Covid-19) you're 4-6 years away from going to AC even if you're successful at the AC interview. So my suggestion is make AC the goal which is great, but don't worry about AC too much yet. You've got to do some time building, then give it a crack at Jazz and see what happens. Hope for the best but plan for the worst.
Good luck, just focus on getting a good job right now that will gain you some valuable experience to make your resume attractive to Jazz.

Ya im instructing and teaching single IFR currently at 18. I want to go to Jazz with a signed off ATPL. Probably go fly a King Air sometime in the next 15 months to get some high performance multi. I gotta wait till 21 for the ATPL so to some extent I just gotta wait lol.

['97 Tercel]

Probably go fly a King Air sometime in the next 15 months to get some high performance multi.

Well hopefully for all of us you won't be fighting 10,000 hour pilots for that King Air job...what's your education back-up?

[780Pilot]

Business and a few side things that could become profitable. I have a few connections I could use in the industry when the time comes for me. However there not my ideal pilot job. I love aviation so a pandemic that will go away within 12-18 months when they get a vaccine isnt going to stop me. Especially at my age. Probably even sooner things will resemble normal ish cause nobody can afford this.

[PilotTaylor]

Newbie here...what’s 4 year flat pay? I’m just about to finish my pstar, getting my ppl and then going away to an academy for a degree in business and my cpl and all other necessary endorsements. Happy flying!

[VeRmiLLioN]

Newbie here...what’s 4 year flat pay? I’m just about to finish my pstar, getting my ppl and then going away to an academy for a degree in business and my cpl and all other necessary endorsements. Happy flying!

Basically a 4 year Fixed Salary at a fixed amount of "hours". Work more get paid more. Work less get paid same flat salary.

After the 4 years, you go to a formula based pay system. Higher base pay/"hour" (Day/Night pay rates too).
Work more... get more.
Work less... get less.

[NotDirty!]

Newbie here...what’s 4 year flat pay? I’m just about to finish my pstar, getting my ppl and then going away to an academy for a degree in business and my cpl and all other necessary endorsements. Happy flying!

It is Air Canada’s pay structure for the first four years of employment as a pilot. It has changed a bit over the years, most recently extending from 2 years to four years, but “flat” is a bit of a misnomer. Once upon a time it was accurate, as junior pilots received a flat salary that did not vary regardless of how many or how few hours you flew. In its present form, it is supposed to be a set amount for up to 75 hours per month, then an hourly rate thereafter... that hourly rate just happens to be 1/75th of the fixed amount. This effective hourly rate is considerably lower than pilots in year 5 or after receive, and also does not qualify for certain other additions that more senior pilots receive (overseas/nav pay).

So by most measures, the junior pilots at Air Canada are working for a deeply discounted salary; many take significant pay cuts to leave a senior position at a smaller company to come to Air Canada, knowing that the long term salary potential is much greater, but it means a few lean years.

Good luck in your career!

[FL320]

So by most measures, the junior pilots at Air Canada are working for a deeply discounted salary; many take significant pay cuts to leave a senior position at a smaller company to come to Air Canada, knowing that the long term salary potential is much greater, but it means a few lean years.

After Covid you can expect to work a lot more for a lot less knowing that the long term salary potential will only be a dream.

[VeRmiLLioN]

So by most measures, the junior pilots at Air Canada are working for a deeply discounted salary; many take significant pay cuts to leave a senior position at a smaller company to come to Air Canada, knowing that the long term salary potential is much greater, but it means a few lean years.

After Covid you can expect to work a lot more for a lot less knowing that the long term salary potential will only be a dream.

So much wrong with this statement.

Work more..unable due new regs.
Paid less...unable...just proven essential service to repatriate citizens.
Teterboro...unable.

But I digress, you'll fly jumpers for free after AC pays $40mil to back out of the TS deal.

[FL320]

But I digress, you'll fly jumpers for free after AC pays $40mil to back out of the TS deal.

Or I could fly for free for AC, I have all the requirements for the job-type rated and current- the company might be interested in reducing its costs?

[PilotTaylor]

Newbie here...what’s 4 year flat pay? I’m just about to finish my pstar, getting my ppl and then going away to an academy for a degree in business and my cpl and all other necessary endorsements. Happy flying!

So by most measures, the junior pilots at Air Canada are working for a deeply discounted salary; many take significant pay cuts to leave a senior position at a smaller company to come to Air Canada, knowing that the long term salary potential is much greater, but it means a few lean years.

Good luck in your career!

Sounds like a sound choice, I know that taking a step back financially to become a pilot will pay off down the road. My current job is maxed out and that’s it. There’s no room for a higher wage/salary.

[FL320]

Newbie here...what’s 4 year flat pay? I’m just about to finish my pstar, getting my ppl and then going away to an academy for a degree in business and my cpl and all other necessary endorsements. Happy flying!

So by most measures, the junior pilots at Air Canada are working for a deeply discounted salary; many take significant pay cuts to leave a senior position at a smaller company to come to Air Canada, knowing that the long term salary potential is much greater, but it means a few lean years.

Good luck in your career!

Sounds like a sound choice, I know that taking a step back financially to become a pilot will pay off down the road. My current job is maxed out and that’s it. There’s no room for a higher wage/salary.

If you’re chasing higher wages only don’t become a pilot, be your own boss by running a successful business instead!

[PilotTaylor]

I feel like I will be a lot more satisfied and fulfilled with being a pilot, iv already flown and treated it as a hobby but now it’s a career choice. I’m thinking long term anyhow, airlines are barely hanging on and there’s no jobs. I won’t be ready for several years anyhow, for now it’s just take it step by step. I have an extended family member that fly’s for one of the big airlines. He makes huge money. While I agree with most of you, getting into aviation for money is the wrong reason, but is it not ok to sleep well at night knowing the industry your getting into has so much prestige, respect with a high wage? Maybe I’ll get flamed for that comment, but I can’t stop watching videos of pilot Instagram influencers on YouTube and iv never been more interested in learning something before in my life.

Fly high gents

[Nicholas96]

So by most measures, the junior pilots at Air Canada are working for a deeply discounted salary; many take significant pay cuts to leave a senior position at a smaller company to come to Air Canada, knowing that the long term salary potential is much greater, but it means a few lean years.

Good luck in your career!

Sounds like a sound choice, I know that taking a step back financially to become a pilot will pay off down the road. My current job is maxed out and that’s it. There’s no room for a higher wage/salary.

If you’re chasing higher wages only don’t become a pilot, be your own boss by running a successful business instead!

Creating a “successful” business is not exactly a simple process specially attaining a level where you are clearing a high net profit or take away money. Now with aviation you have the idea or the legwork it takes to lead you into a comfortable six figure salary, but with a business there are lots of variables/unknowns. The returns of having a successful business can be greater of course compared to an employee who’s salary is determined by the company but again it’s very competitive and risky. You never know save enough money for capital while you are working as a pilot and you might be able to have a side business/partner on the side.