Terrible news for the Air Canada work force...

[Rockie]

My twin brother died in a car accident. You’d have a hard time convincing me that and many others that the worlds governments should allow travel by automobile. Imagine the lives that could be saved..

I am truly sorry to hear that and you have my sympathies. Car accidents are not contageous, if they were you wouldn't see anybody encouraging maximum automobile travel to get all the automobile accidents completed at once would you? Despite automobile accidents not being contageous you do see non-stop effort to make automobile travel more safe.

This persistent comparison of a highly contageous virus to non-contageous things is specious.

[Rockie]

mass infections ala the "herd immunity" crowd will only make this crisis worse and prolong it.

I have not heard about this claim. I thought the idea behind it was take the hit earlier rather than later so it can be over sooner... because it is inevitable when a vaccine appearing anytime soon is a pipe dream.

The idea is to contain the virus to manageable levels to minimize infections, deaths, and to not overwhelm health agencies which would cause untold more unnecessary deaths.

[Localizer]

Ok fair comment. However enlighten us on what “Scheer Nonsense, The Toole , Chopper MacKay” would do better if either was the sitting PM.

Honestly .. I'm not in favour of anyone currently running. I think the truly intelligent people steer clear of the political life which is why we are left with no good options in my opinion. If I could hit the rewind button we'd go back to the Harper days .. I realize all the names you mentioned were his MP's .. but he could lead and he was intelligent. (I'd vote for John Baird if he ran)

My neighbor just lost her mother to the virus, you would have a hard time convincing her and the millions of others around the world that governments overreacted.

A family friend passed on during this pandemic and his death was labeled as "Covid-19" even though he'd been inching his way out the door for months before this virus even hit, and he didn't even test positive, pneumonia was enough to call it Covid-19? It left us all scratching our heads. I feel sorry for your neighbours mother, just like I feel sorry for all the others that have lost the battle with this virus. Please don't confuse me for a heartless bastard, the point I'm making is that we didn't need to shutdown the world. Isolate the vulnerable and keep the world turning. Sweden kept the open sign on and their numbers are no different than any other country that closed.

It doesn't matter now anyways .. what's done is done and we'll live with the consequences of those decisions.

[Rockie]

Sweden kept the open sign on and their numbers are no different than any other country that closed.

Not true, and drawing conclusions about the Swedish experience compared to say, gun toting rednecks violating every recommendation put out by health officials is invalid. Every country is unique for many different reasons.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... virus-code

[tsgarp]

Over 310,000 confirmed dead and likely many more than that given the increased numbers of unexplained deaths. All these people palebird have families who are directly, tragically impacted. Those are the people I’m talking about, dead people can’t be convinced of anything. How many people in your family would be upset if you died? I’ve got a small family and I can think of around 15 so, do the math.

Dude, just stop. This is no longer aviation related and you are making yourself look bad.

[iflyforpie]

My twin brother died in a car accident. You’d have a hard time convincing me that and many others that the worlds governments should allow travel by automobile. Imagine the lives that could be saved..

I am truly sorry to hear that and you have my sympathies. Car accidents are not contageous, if they were you wouldn't see anybody encouraging maximum automobile travel to get all the automobile accidents completed at once would you? Despite automobile accidents not being contageous you do see non-stop effort to make automobile travel more safe.

This persistent comparison of a highly contageous virus to non-contageous things is specious.

Car accidents are contagious. They are transmitted though the movement of automobiles. Stop automobile movement, stop automobile deaths; it’s that simple.

Like the non-stop effort to make automobile travel more safe—without banning automobile travel.. you can also exert non-stop effort in combatting COVID—through isolation of the vulnerable, use of PPE, public education on disease transmission and hand hygiene, and development of a cure or vaccine.

There have been more than a few of the excess deaths attributed to lack of medical care BECAUSE of COVID 19. Scheduled surgeries cancelled and people too afraid to go to emerge—which incidentally are deserted in most hospitals right now.

And all this social distancing crap has done is turn a point to point system into a hub and spoke system. Sure, I don’t see my hairdresser or my financial advisor anymore—but we go to the same grocery stores.

[altiplano]

My Dad loves the Trudeau senior bucks... He's gonna buy a new Scotty Cameron putter.

Rich old guy that totally needs the money...

How's that pay everyone their $2K and ask questions later going? My friend at the CRA says unqualified people collecting the money is so rampant they will never be able to trace it all back and will write it off.

Students getting paid just because?

Business loans based on your commitment to the environment?

Meanwhile businesses forced closed.

The woman walking her dog gets fined.

The guy protesting gets arrested.

[telex]

He's already campaigning. With your money.
Free money for everybody.
Election call coming soon.

[OneYonge]

mass infections ala the "herd immunity" crowd will only make this crisis worse and prolong it.

I have not heard about this claim. I thought the idea behind it was take the hit earlier rather than later so it can be over sooner... because it is inevitable when a vaccine appearing anytime soon is a pipe dream.

The idea is to contain the virus to manageable levels to minimize infections, deaths, and to not overwhelm health agencies which would cause untold more unnecessary deaths.

That's the flattening the curve bit, but you said having "herd immunity" will prolong the crisis. It just sounds like the opposite of what herd immunity means. In fact "herd immunity" is the point of a vaccine.

By the way, the lockdowns do not minimize the amount of infections, it only means slowing and prolonging the spread for reasons you stated.

[pelmet]

mass infections ala the "herd immunity" crowd will only make this crisis worse and prolong it.

I have not heard about this claim. I thought the idea behind it was take the hit earlier rather than later so it can be over sooner... because it is inevitable when a vaccine appearing anytime soon is a pipe dream.

The idea is to contain the virus to manageable levels to minimize infections, deaths, and to not overwhelm health agencies which would cause untold more unnecessary deaths.

Time to watch this....
https://en.as.com/en/2020/05/14/videos/ ... 13362.html

[MUSKEG]

The generation of pilots that are at the bottom of the ladder will never see aviation as it was in 2019 in their lifetime. The younger generation is scared to death of damn near everything and that will keep enough of them
From flying. If we get back to 50 % in 10 years I’d be surprised. NINTY % of airliners are parked. Anyone need a 737 Max?? Airports will become so inhospitable to satisfy the demands of fearful people that it will make the experience not worth it.

[tailgunner]

“So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is...fear itself — nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance.”

Franklin Roosevelt. 1933.

Seems very relevant today.
Cheers.

[tsgarp]

I have not heard about this claim. I thought the idea behind it was take the hit earlier rather than later so it can be over sooner... because it is inevitable when a vaccine appearing anytime soon is a pipe dream.

The idea is to contain the virus to manageable levels to minimize infections, deaths, and to not overwhelm health agencies which would cause untold more unnecessary deaths.

That's the flattening the curve bit, but you said having "herd immunity" will prolong the crisis. It just sounds like the opposite of what herd immunity means. In fact "herd immunity" is the point of a vaccine.

By the way, the lockdowns do not minimize the amount of infections, it only means slowing and prolonging the spread for reasons you stated.

You have to understand, Rockie has been highly trained and possesses tremendous innate ability to speak with great confidence and authority on subjects about which he is wholly ignorant. The sad thing is, he actually thinks he’s as knowledgeable and intelligent as he thinks he is..

[ALPApolicy]

New stats out for Quebec:

90.4% of the Covid deaths are of people aged 70 or older. The youngest people to die are 6 people between the ages of 30-39.

3023 (May 15 stats) of Quebec’s 3483 Covid-19 deaths or 80.4% occurred in long term care facilities or private retirement homes.

That means that 700 people died outside of those facilities and 350 people between ages 30 to 70 died. Who knows what their comorbid conditions were.

And the best strategy they had was to shutdown most economic activity with no idea of the long term consequences on the economy.

[Jet Jockey]

New stats out for Quebec:

90.4% of the Covid deaths are of people aged 70 or older. The youngest people to die are 6 people between the ages of 30-39.

3023 (May 15 stats) of Quebec’s 3483 Covid-19 deaths or 80.4 occurred in long term care facilities or private retirement homes.

That means that 700 people died outside of those facilities and 350 people between ages 30 to 70 died. Who knows what their comorbid conditions were.

And the best strategy they had was to shutdown most economic activity with no idea of the long term consequences on the economy.

Bingo!

Time for these mandated over restrictive restrictions to be lifted.

[Rockie]

Dude, just stop. This is no longer aviation related and you are making yourself look bad.

Sorry, you lost me at "Dude"

Car accidents are contagious

I can only suggest you do some reading and maybe look the word up in the dictionary.

You have to understand, Rockie has been highly trained and possesses tremendous innate ability to speak with great confidence and authority on subjects about which he is wholly ignorant. The sad thing is, he actually thinks he’s as knowledgeable and intelligent as he thinks he is..

Irony, right? I'll make this my last post on the subject and get back to my knitting, and leave you guys to plot the course out of this pandemic.

We are in this situation because some government people thought they were smarter and didn't heed the advice of infectious disease experts back before Christmas when it would have made the most difference. Down in the US a 270 pound rancid piece of shit in a blue suit thinks he's smarter than everybody and has created an enormous shitshow that will continue to get much, much worse according to, you know...infectious disease experts. Watch what happens in the next 8 months. In Brazil a Trump mini-me is ignoring the virus altogether - watch that disaster unfold in real time too.

Now me not being the expert tsgarp claims I am I have to decide who to believe. On one hand there are public health and infectious disease experts who have spent a lifetime educating themselves, researching, and working in the field of infectious disease outbreaks. On the other hand there is you guys, who have received no education, spent zero time researching and zero time working in the field of infectious diseases. These scientists categorically reject herd immunity and other ideas put forth by you guys for easily googled reasons. But what do they know, right? They're not pilots.

Back to your "mean girls" play time boys.

[RILEY]

The generation of pilots that are at the bottom of the ladder will never see aviation as it was in 2019 in their lifetime. The younger generation is scared to death of damn near everything and that will keep enough of them
From flying. If we get back to 50 % in 10 years I’d be surprised. NINTY % of airliners are parked. Anyone need a 737 Max?? Airports will become so inhospitable to satisfy the demands of fearful people that it will make the experience not worth it.

An opinion filled with fear in its own right. Absolutely no facts supporting this. No one knows what will happen or how fast this will turn around, and using “never” is a testament to your limiting beliefs.

[pelmet]

You have to understand, Rockie has been highly trained and possesses tremendous innate ability to speak with great confidence and authority on subjects about which he is wholly ignorant. The sad thing is, he actually thinks he’s as knowledgeable and intelligent as he thinks he is..

Well, this is the guy who claims to be an A320 captain and was confidently adamant about the issues of using the ILS as a back-up(as suggested by me) on the RNAV visual into SFO and therefore he would not use it(discussed after the taxiway incident)….

viewtopic.php?p=1005461#p1005461

After the final report came out, I read the associated NTSB docket which had interviews with AC A320 check airmen and discovered that they were all using this feature as routine operation....

viewtopic.php?p=1054724#p1054724

You can judge the credibility yourself.

[Rockie]

Oh man, I must haunt your every waking moment Pelmet.

Psst...I'm outside your window when you sleep.

Bwahahahah.

[rigpiggy]

Rockie, I very rarely agree with you.....on this subject the norm is true.

Your friend who lost her mother, how old was she? what pre-existing conditions did she have, was she in a rest home? ad nauseum etc....... Right now the Medical professionals" are padding statistics. People who have symptoms that can be attributed to a myriad number of other causes are "COVID Deaths". But very few will speak(publicly) out on threat of losing their jobs.......

[Localizer]

On the other hand there is you guys, who have received no education, spent zero time researching and zero time working in the field of infectious diseases.

Considering this is an anonymous forum and you don't know anyones background you should withdraw that statement. I personally have no background in infectious diseases but I know a few posters that are actual medical doctors in a past life that decided to be pilots. Why they made that decision still boggles my mind, and no I have not seen them weigh in on this topic.

I just have opinions and I base them off the information that I can gather, online and in real time. I can understand if you don't agree with the position I have formed and I'm not asking you to. I give a lot of credit to our medical professionals .. but I don't think they're always right. I think the testing is flawed and I think the numbers are fudged, my reasons for that are in my previous post.

I respect your right to agree to disagree.

[MUSKEG]

Re: Terrible news for the Air Canada work force...
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Post Sun May 17, 2020 7:49 am

MUSKEG wrote: ↑
The generation of pilots that are at the bottom of the ladder will never see aviation as it was in 2019 in their lifetime. The younger generation is scared to death of damn near everything and that will keep enough of them
From flying. If we get back to 50 % in 10 years I’d be surprised. NINTY % of airliners are parked. Anyone need a 737 Max?? Airports will become so inhospitable to satisfy the demands of fearful people that it will make the experience not worth it.

RILEY
An opinion filled with fear in its own right. Absolutely no facts supporting this. No one knows what will happen or how fast this will turn around, and using “never” is a testament to your limiting beliefs.

I’m at the end of a long career and fear has been flattened by a life time of ups and downs. This is by far the biggest and deepest drop in the history of aviation. If I’m wrong hallelujah. Hundreds of friends can go back to work. I’d be the first to say I was wrong and glad I was. This is political and that’s the difference. You can’t fix stupid.
You know nothing of what I believe and what it’s taken to chisel those beliefs. But that’s ok. I’ve been wrong many times and right a time or two

[pelmet]

Right now the Medical professionals" are padding statistics. People who have symptoms that can be attributed to a myriad number of other causes are "COVID Deaths". But very few will speak(publicly) out on threat of losing their jobs.......

Less than one minute after thinking to myself that there was no evidence of this, I read this.....

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/colora ... ath-counts


Sounds like some sort of an unorganized plot out there...

“Colorado Gov. Jared Polis, a Democrat, pushed back against recent coronavirus death counts, including those conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention [CDC], days after his own state’s health department acknowledged that its numbers had been inflated by including people who had the virus but died from other causes.

Colorado previously had reported 1,150 people died from COVID-19, but late Friday, officials changed that number to 878.“


LIBERATE

[ALPApolicy]

... Right now the Medical professionals" are padding statistics. People who have symptoms that can be attributed to a myriad number of other causes are "COVID Deaths". But very few will speak(publicly) out on threat of losing their jobs.......

NBC’s expert had Covid-19 according to his doctors even though he was being treated for a bacterial lung infection and he had a negative test for Covid-19 four times:

“ After visiting the emergency room, he was admitted to Tulane Medical Center because of a bacterial lung infection, which caused his shortness of breath. He received four tests for COVID-19, all of which were negative, but doctors told him that they had no doubt that's what he had.”

[altiplano]

I posted this weeks ago on this forum.

First hand info from my friends in healthcare that they are attaching as much as possible to Covid.

This is political. They need to justify what they've done.