Suicide

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:02 pm

Okay, talk of the wages and deaths in the last thread got me thinking.

You know how some "kids?" commit suicide in school especially in asia if they don't get into university, apart from the "pilots" who kill themselves through alcohol anyone know how many CPLers kill themselves because they never "get in?"

Pilot_adam · Post by **Pilot_adam** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:12 pm

I know of a Cpler who is working for Tim Hortons now making 8.5 $/h because he could not go anywhere with 800 hours on a cessna 152...
He said he is making more money now than he did while he was instructing , he basically could not stand the fact that he can't bring milk and bread home to his kid ...so he said F** it..

Cheers
Adam

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:36 pm

I knew a guy who found out he had inoperable cancer and drove his buddys 172 in. He spared himself 6 months of agony and his friend got a new plane from the insurance company. He was retired though...

Nicest guy you'd ever wanna meet. Cheers Les, where ever you are!

Tube Driver · Post by **Tube Driver** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:41 pm

This thread is Bullshit!!!! Do us all a favor and remove it.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:46 pm

Many people would disagree that suicide in aviation is a bullshit topic.

Now a thread on "Banana Phone" may be considered bullshit, however I think it's wonderful.

-istp

bigred · Post by **bigred** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:14 pm

Tube Drive you obvisly don't know anybody that has lost someone or has commited suicide by the very nature of your post. This coming from someone who has attempted it once and thought about it many times. It is very benificial for people to talk about this in hopes that it may stop them or they may beable to tell the signs and stop someone they know. I personally believe you owe a lot of people a apoligy for that rather colorful remark THINK ABOUT THAT.

N2 · Post by N2 » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:14 am

No profession is worth taking your life for!

PARADISE · Post by **PARADISE** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:54 am

"Anything worth dying for, must certainly be worth living for"

-Catch 22

I unfortuntetly have heard of several young depressed pilots who lost there way and checked out for good. It is very sad. It is a pressure industry, everyone wants to move move move, and get the show on the road. I say relax, enjoy the day (the present) and have no worries. It will all come togeather, there is no race.

tlux · Post by **tlux** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:13 pm

Yah, the industry sucks. There is no other industry where a dude would sell his own mother just to log a few more hours. Instead of driving my aircraft into the dirt I left the industry for 5 years. Lived life large and didn't regret it. After five years of living like a rock star in the "real world" I missed flying, so I came back. Started back on the ramp, did an instructor's Rating, now I am right seat on a PA-31.

Nobody is putting a gun to anyone's head, saying they MUST stay in the industry. If it's really that bad then leave. Everyone else around you knows it's bad. If the neighbour's grass is greener, then go there to graize (sp?) for a while. If you really love aviation, you will come back.

It's a big world out there, and there is much more than flying. I know lots of guys (and girls) who went went over to NavCanada for example. They are still in aviation, hold high prestige in the aviation community, and make serious bucks.

If someone wants to kill themself because of a terminal illness then that's another can of worms....but to kill your self for a job?????

- T. Lux.

Chantal · Post by **Chantal** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:24 pm

Good evening,
There is special training for suicide prevention, I think the RCMP does it. One thing I know if you ever encounter a suicidal person is, ask them if they are having thoughts of hurting themself because if they are, this means they are suicidal. Also, Young people, need to know they will learn how to deal with things. I don't think the reasons pilots commit suicide are different from the reasons that other people commit suicide.

What I really want to mention is that I hope Canada is not really becoming communist because communism is evil. Did you know Russia has the highest rate of suicide and so does China. Actually, it was in the news this week, China's government started a suicide prevention hotline in Bejing because suicide is a major problem there. I bet it always was a major problem. I never want to see that happen here so lets beware we don't become communist, because I certainly do not want to be one.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:38 pm

psst, Russia isn't communist. I think the real parallel here is destitution in a country where some live like kings. And if you don't want to be a communist, odds are you won't, since it is a political ideology, not a communicable disease.

To get back on topic, I thought I might say a little about the one person I know who did commit suicide. Now this is all speculation among his friends, there was no autopsy as far as I know. This was due to the way he went. But I think it is logical to suspect suicide in this man's case. Like I said, he had inoperable cancer and was facing a small amount of time left, during which he would be in agony. So while he was still able he went flying. He died doing what he loved.

When it comes to any other reason, I think you need to take a step back and re-evaluate. No job is really that bad, and not being able to have a certain job is no reason for suicide. The plain truth is, it just ain't that bad. Might seem like it, but in the grand scheme, not being a pilot is not a fate worse than death.

What people getting into the industry might not realise is that it is cyclical. Things may be bad now, but it will get better.

Take it easy everyone.

phillyfan · Post by **phillyfan** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:56 pm

I'm sure some will think this is kind of harsh, but anyone who is willing to kill themselves because they are not logging time, should probably not be flying around with paying customers in airplanes. I'm sure there is a box on the medical that asks about mental illness. They may want to check that one and do some folks a favor.

No Conflict · Post by **No Conflict** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:09 pm

phillyfan wrote:I'm sure some will think this is kind of harsh, but anyone who is willing to kill themselves because they are not logging time, should probably not be flying around with paying customers in airplanes. I'm sure there is a box on the medical that asks about mental illness. They may want to check that one and do some folks a favor.

Ummm... he might have a point....

Jet Dog · Post by **Jet Dog** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:07 pm

mellow_pilot wrote

And if you don't want to be a communist, odds are you won't, since it is a political ideology, not a communicable disease.

I slept with a girl once who gave me communism, luckily for me there is a treatment out there

No Conflict · Post by **No Conflict** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:47 am

Jet Dog wrote:mellow_pilot wrote
And if you don't want to be a communist, odds are you won't, since it is a political ideology, not a communicable disease.
I slept with a girl once who gave me communism, luckily for me there is a treatment out there

So the creme, pills and shots worked?

air-heart · Post by **air-heart** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:35 am

I knew of a pilot who was really depressed over an ex and was deemed "depressed" and wanted to go on meds. Because being on antidepressants makes your medical invalid he decided not to. Now I think it's ridiculous that TC would rather have depressed and suicidal pilots flying the public around then someone on Paxil who is actually feeling good about their life. What do you think about that?

Atthelake · Post by **Atthelake** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:51 pm

Its a fact of life that no matter who you are that everyone has different environmental stressors affecting how they keep their wings level. The trick is slowing down, going back to the basics and flying through the turbulence to smoother air on the other side. The weather is always changing, and when it is at its worst - it can only get better. Nothing is more selfish than giving up on those passengers travelling with you when you are only half way through your flight. You can always count on your crew to help make the rest of the trip easier. All you need do is to try to keep the dirty side down and grease the landing.