Best guess when recalls could happen
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Re: Best guess when recalls could happen
Remember some AC exec said he expects pretty good pax levels by December this year. He didn't specific what % capacity would be acceptable. Like others have said they will update the schedule month to month based on demand most likely. Again this is all smoke for now. But it seems logical.
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It's going to be a while I would guess. Jazz currently has 675 pilots "inactive" which all need to come back on the property before Jazz will "hire" again. Also the only reason Jazz was really hiring was due to the shortage at AC which has now gone away. AC has many pilots furloughed which all need to be recalled before they hire again. So until you see AC hiring, you won't really see Jazz hiring for the foreseeable future. Jazz has an average of 33.6 pilots per year who are reaching 65 in the next 5 years. 168 to reach 65 by 2024. Even retirement/attrition doesn't account for the kind of hiring we've seen over the past 5 years. Personally I think we're going back to the 1-3 GS's a year like it was pre 2015 (at least for a little while).
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That's my line of thinking as well. I figure 12-24 months to get recalled at Jazz depending on seniority. I was in the hiring pool at AC before all of this went down and was expecting a call for April/May GS (references were called and all) and it seems like now I will most likely get on with AC in 3 ish years +/- 1 year.
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That's my line of thinking as well. I figure 12-24 months to get recalled at Jazz depending on seniority. I was in the hiring pool at AC before all of this went down and was expecting a call for April/May GS (references were called and all) and it seems like now I will most likely get on with AC in 3 ish years +/- 1 year.
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Re: Best guess when recalls could happen
For those still active (this applies to any airline really) how often are you flying?
I know some airlines have reduced blocks, but those still holding the (reduced) blocks...is there much flying at the moment? What about guys/girls on RSV?
I know some airlines have reduced blocks, but those still holding the (reduced) blocks...is there much flying at the moment? What about guys/girls on RSV?
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Re: Best guess when recalls could happen
Sounds like Sky is recalling pilots June 1 & July 1
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well aint that some awsome news! keep it coming. lets turn the tide around.
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Don't forget Sky has a much smaller operation and employs +/- 280 pilots versus 1500+ at Jazz...
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I don’t claim to have a crystal ball but I think this crisis ( excuse the gaslighting language) is far from over.
I certainly hope that the cessation of lay-off mitigation will coincide with a uptick in flying. I also hope that further layoffs won’t be required and we can start on the road to recovery. With this being said, 6-8 months for a basic restart of the economy ( assuming there’s no resurgence of the virus) makes me inclined to worry. Then, when we add in the unemployment rate, debt loads and ( valid and inflated) fear I worry more.
I certainly hope that the cessation of lay-off mitigation will coincide with a uptick in flying. I also hope that further layoffs won’t be required and we can start on the road to recovery. With this being said, 6-8 months for a basic restart of the economy ( assuming there’s no resurgence of the virus) makes me inclined to worry. Then, when we add in the unemployment rate, debt loads and ( valid and inflated) fear I worry more.
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Not sure where the Planespotters site gets their updates, but this snapshot of the number of Jazz planes currently in service has increased in the past six weeks since the last time I checked the numbers from that site (29 total aircraft in service on May 13th 2020)...maybe some good news...
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Re: Best guess when recalls could happen
Ouch
https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/a ... 82841.html
Air Canada Discontinues Service on 30 Domestic Regional Routes and Closes Eight Stations in Canada
Regional flying rationalized due to COVID-19 and government travel restrictions, part of airline's Cost Reduction Program to reduce cash burn
MONTREAL, June 30, 2020 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada said today that it is indefinitely suspending service on 30 domestic regional routes and closing eight stations at regional airports in Canada.
These structural changes to Air Canada's domestic regional network are being made as a result of continuing weak demand for both business and leisure travel due to COVID-19 and provincial and federal government-imposed travel restrictions and border closures, which are diminishing prospects for a near-to-mid-term recovery.
As the company has previously reported, Air Canada expects the industry's recovery will take a minimum of three years. As a consequence, other changes to its network and schedule, as well as further service suspensions, will be considered over the coming weeks as the airline takes steps to decisively reduce its overall cost structure and cash burn rate.
A full list of route suspensions and station closures is below.
As a result of COVID-19, Air Canada reported a net loss of $1.05 billion in the first quarter of 2020, including a net cash-burn in March of $688 million. The carrier has undertaken a range of structural changes including significant cost savings and liquidity measures, of which today's announced service suspensions form part. Other measures include:
A workforce reduction of approximately 20,000 employees, representing more than 50 per cent of its staff, achieved through layoffs, severances, early retirements and special leaves;
A company-wide Cost Reduction and Capital Deferral Program, that has to date identified around $1.1 billion in savings;
A reduction of its system-wide capacity by approximately 85 per cent in the second quarter compared to last year's second quarter and an expected third quarter capacity reduction of at least 75% from the third quarter of 2019;
The permanent removal of 79 aircraft from its mainline and Rouge fleets;
And raising approximatively $5.5 billion in liquidity since March 13, 2020, through a series of debt, aircraft and equity financings.
Further initiatives are being considered.
Route Suspensions
The following routes will be suspended indefinitely as per applicable regulatory notice requirements. Affected customers will be contacted by Air Canada and offered options, including alternative routings where available.
Maritimes/Newfoundland and Labrador:
Deer Lake-Goose Bay;
Deer Lake-St. John's;
Fredericton-Halifax;
Fredericton-Ottawa;
Moncton-Halifax;
Saint John-Halifax;
Charlottetown-Halifax;
Moncton-Ottawa;
Gander-Goose Bay;
Gander-St. John's;
Bathurst-Montreal;
Wabush-Goose Bay;
Wabush-Sept-Iles;
Goose Bay-St. John's.
Quebec/Ontario:
Baie Comeau-Montreal;
Baie Comeau-Mont Joli;
Gaspé-Iles de la Madeleine;
Gaspé-Quebec City;
Sept-Iles-Quebec City;
Val d'Or-Montreal;
Mont Joli-Montreal;
Rouyn-Noranda-Val d'Or;
Kingston-Toronto;
London-Ottawa;
North Bay-Toronto
Windsor-Montreal
Western Canada:
Regina-Winnipeg;
Regina-Saskatoon;
Regina-Ottawa;
Saskatoon-Ottawa.
Station Closures
The following are the Regional Airports where Air Canada is closing its stations:
Bathurst (New Brunswick)
Wabush (Newfoundland and Labrador)
Gaspé (Quebec)
Baie Comeau (Quebec)
Mont Joli (Quebec)
Val d'Or (Quebec)
Kingston (Ontario)
North Bay (Ontario)
About Air Canada
Air Canada is Canada's largest domestic and international airline. Canada's flag carrier is among the 20 largest airlines in the world and in 2019 served over 51 million customers. Air Canada is a founding member of Star Alliance, the world's most comprehensive air transportation network. Air Canada is the only international network carrier in North America to receive a Four-Star ranking according to independent U.K. research firm Skytrax, which also named Air Canada the 2019 Best Airline in North America. For more information, please visit: aircanada.com/media, follow @AirCanada on Twitter and join Air Canada on Facebook.
Internet: aircanada.com/media
SOURCE Air Canada
https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/a ... 82841.html
Air Canada Discontinues Service on 30 Domestic Regional Routes and Closes Eight Stations in Canada
Regional flying rationalized due to COVID-19 and government travel restrictions, part of airline's Cost Reduction Program to reduce cash burn
MONTREAL, June 30, 2020 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada said today that it is indefinitely suspending service on 30 domestic regional routes and closing eight stations at regional airports in Canada.
These structural changes to Air Canada's domestic regional network are being made as a result of continuing weak demand for both business and leisure travel due to COVID-19 and provincial and federal government-imposed travel restrictions and border closures, which are diminishing prospects for a near-to-mid-term recovery.
As the company has previously reported, Air Canada expects the industry's recovery will take a minimum of three years. As a consequence, other changes to its network and schedule, as well as further service suspensions, will be considered over the coming weeks as the airline takes steps to decisively reduce its overall cost structure and cash burn rate.
A full list of route suspensions and station closures is below.
As a result of COVID-19, Air Canada reported a net loss of $1.05 billion in the first quarter of 2020, including a net cash-burn in March of $688 million. The carrier has undertaken a range of structural changes including significant cost savings and liquidity measures, of which today's announced service suspensions form part. Other measures include:
A workforce reduction of approximately 20,000 employees, representing more than 50 per cent of its staff, achieved through layoffs, severances, early retirements and special leaves;
A company-wide Cost Reduction and Capital Deferral Program, that has to date identified around $1.1 billion in savings;
A reduction of its system-wide capacity by approximately 85 per cent in the second quarter compared to last year's second quarter and an expected third quarter capacity reduction of at least 75% from the third quarter of 2019;
The permanent removal of 79 aircraft from its mainline and Rouge fleets;
And raising approximatively $5.5 billion in liquidity since March 13, 2020, through a series of debt, aircraft and equity financings.
Further initiatives are being considered.
Route Suspensions
The following routes will be suspended indefinitely as per applicable regulatory notice requirements. Affected customers will be contacted by Air Canada and offered options, including alternative routings where available.
Maritimes/Newfoundland and Labrador:
Deer Lake-Goose Bay;
Deer Lake-St. John's;
Fredericton-Halifax;
Fredericton-Ottawa;
Moncton-Halifax;
Saint John-Halifax;
Charlottetown-Halifax;
Moncton-Ottawa;
Gander-Goose Bay;
Gander-St. John's;
Bathurst-Montreal;
Wabush-Goose Bay;
Wabush-Sept-Iles;
Goose Bay-St. John's.
Quebec/Ontario:
Baie Comeau-Montreal;
Baie Comeau-Mont Joli;
Gaspé-Iles de la Madeleine;
Gaspé-Quebec City;
Sept-Iles-Quebec City;
Val d'Or-Montreal;
Mont Joli-Montreal;
Rouyn-Noranda-Val d'Or;
Kingston-Toronto;
London-Ottawa;
North Bay-Toronto
Windsor-Montreal
Western Canada:
Regina-Winnipeg;
Regina-Saskatoon;
Regina-Ottawa;
Saskatoon-Ottawa.
Station Closures
The following are the Regional Airports where Air Canada is closing its stations:
Bathurst (New Brunswick)
Wabush (Newfoundland and Labrador)
Gaspé (Quebec)
Baie Comeau (Quebec)
Mont Joli (Quebec)
Val d'Or (Quebec)
Kingston (Ontario)
North Bay (Ontario)
About Air Canada
Air Canada is Canada's largest domestic and international airline. Canada's flag carrier is among the 20 largest airlines in the world and in 2019 served over 51 million customers. Air Canada is a founding member of Star Alliance, the world's most comprehensive air transportation network. Air Canada is the only international network carrier in North America to receive a Four-Star ranking according to independent U.K. research firm Skytrax, which also named Air Canada the 2019 Best Airline in North America. For more information, please visit: aircanada.com/media, follow @AirCanada on Twitter and join Air Canada on Facebook.
Internet: aircanada.com/media
SOURCE Air Canada
Re: Best guess when recalls could happen
Makes sense. Areas where COVID is worse like Ontario and Quebec just don't have the demand. Especially when a lot of local small town mayor's don't want people from the city's. At least places like BC are adding more route capacity recently (Jazz).
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Re: Best guess when recalls could happen
Of the 675 pilots placed on inactive status, i was roughly #500. Had 2 and a half years with jazz. Now if i were offered a corporate gig with good pay and all, but a 2 year bond, should i take it? Or do you think ill get called back within 2 years??
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I would take the corporate job. If Jazz calls you back before the bond is up you can defer your recall. No one knows how long this will last. My guess is no Jazz recalls until spring 2021 at the earliest.Ride_the_waves13 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:33 pm Of the 675 pilots placed on inactive status, i was roughly #500. Had 2 and a half years with jazz. Now if i were offered a corporate gig with good pay and all, but a 2 year bond, should i take it? Or do you think ill get called back within 2 years??
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I would take it. It’s going to be a long time for recalls, and I doubt the company will ever be as big as it was pre-Corona.
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Agreed. If you have an offer in hand take it. At minimum I think lay offs are at going to be 2 years and depending on how things are restructured you never know it could be longer for some.
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I would 100% take the job as we have no clue how long this all is going to last.Ride_the_waves13 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:33 pm Of the 675 pilots placed on inactive status, i was roughly #500. Had 2 and a half years with jazz. Now if i were offered a corporate gig with good pay and all, but a 2 year bond, should i take it? Or do you think ill get called back within 2 years??
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As with AC's dismal Q2 results, Chorus reports its Q2 on or about August 13th... will be interesting to see how bad it will be and if they provide (any) guidance for Q3 and beyond.
Is there even a game plan other than survival ?
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/stock/CHR:CT
Is there even a game plan other than survival ?
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/stock/CHR:CT
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Re: Best guess when recalls could happen
Anyone know until what seniority date the recalls are going to?
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75 are getting recalled. The other 600 are getting layoffs since the Cerb or whatever they call it is ending.
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