Something like that might actually be in the works.fish4life wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:14 pm Why not just set up mandatory quick testing on arrival, include the fee in the flight cost and if they test negative free to enjoy the country no quarantine and if they are positive they get forced into a quarantine location. Test before departure and again on arrival
Travel restrictions in EU vs Canada
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A Canadian company from Dartmouth has created a 15 minute test with 96% accuracy (SONA Nanotech CSE: SONA.) If you could test all passengers before even getting on an airplane, no need for masks, quarantine, physical distancing or anything. Imagine a load of 300 people who are all confirmed to be negative for Covid-19, our lives would quickly return to normal. As stated, pass the $30 cost onto the customer. No need to test on arrival either.
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And out of those 300 people, that’s 12 with incorrect results.gustind wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:11 am A Canadian company from Dartmouth has created a 15 minute test with 96% accuracy (SONA Nanotech CSE: SONA.) If you could test all passengers before even getting on an airplane, no need for masks, quarantine, physical distancing or anything. Imagine a load of 300 people who are all confirmed to be negative for Covid-19, our lives would quickly return to normal. As stated, pass the $30 cost onto the customer. No need to test on arrival either.
“A test that’s 96% accurate“ is pure marketing pap. What’s the false positive rate, and what’s the false negative rate?
If the false positive rate Is 4% then you’ve just told 12 people they have a dangerous disease when they don’t.
If the false negative rate is 4%, I’ll stick with my mask, thank you very much.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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Air Canada has engaged with Spartan to see how they can incorporate testing into the airlines. Remember Spartan Bioscience was promoted by the Ontario government and after a few days or week of deployment, they had their authorization on the cube revoked - silly move by AC imo. I'm sure Spartan is working on it but clearly AC sees potential in this to get their revenues back up and a faster time frame.photofly wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:33 am And out of those 300 people, that’s 12 with incorrect results.
“A test that’s 96% accurate“ is pure marketing pap. What’s the false positive rate, and what’s the false negative rate?
If the false positive rate Is 4% then you’ve just told 12 people they have a dangerous disease when they don’t.
If the false negative rate is 4%, I’ll stick with my mask, thank you very much.
Compared to having a private lab at each major airport, these are the solutions to get us back to living a normal life where we don't have to stand 2m away from each other. Combine this with tracing technology and flying becomes pretty safe.
The mask is up to you. I'm just saying the above tests (not Spartans dumb cube) would give a lot of people, including governments, the peace of mind they need to feel safe(r) in the public.
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I don't think people feel flying is unsafe. I think people feel being somewhere other than home is unsafe.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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I disagree - flying as a passenger is the riskiest thing I do at the moment.
- No social distancing on the Airlines I've travelled on.
- No idea who I'm travelling with or what they've been exposed to.
- Until fairly recently masks not mandatory on board on some Airlines.
- The Health Declaration Form is a joke - is someone really going to answer "Yes" knowing that they will be unable to travel and/or enter the country?
- A lot of airports have taken zero precautions - not even a temperature scan on arrival.
Outside of this I can control where I go and social distance.
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Considering how many people leave home and go out for non-essential activities, I wouldn't consider that generalization as anywhere close to accurate. One need only look at the beaches on July 1.
For myself, I certainly go out a lot for non-essential activities like I suspect most of us have been doing to some extent. But.......I do try to avoid certain areas where I can be traced. Why.......If I go to a store and it turns out that one of the many workers there had Covid, there may be a note in the news for anyone who happened to be in that store to monitor for 14 days and get a test. No problem.
But....for my medical check the other day, if one of the employees or other patients had the virus during my visit, I will be traced and quarantined. Same thing but possibly worse if I am in row 22 of an Air Canada flight and someone in the far side of row 25 is discovered to have had Covid. I will be told I have to isolate for 14 days(note: exact detailed criteria for who has to isolate may be wrong but you get the general idea), and it very well may be in a city that is not my home city.
So I prefer to avoid being traceable. Even though I feel fairly safe.
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I’m happy to go to the store. There’s no way I’m going to Italy.
I would like my mother to visit, and she’s happy to travel. She just doesn’t want to sojourn in Canada.
I would like my mother to visit, and she’s happy to travel. She just doesn’t want to sojourn in Canada.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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Italy has less cases of Covid than Canada. So why would you feel safer going to the store, than going to Italy?
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(Fewer.)
Because people (me included) prefer the known to the unknown. The store is familiar, therefore ‘safe’. Italy isn’t familiar, so it’s dangerous. Also, the consequences of getting sick in Italy are disastrous.
Travel isn’t going to pick up for a long long time, and health checks at the airport won’t help.
Because people (me included) prefer the known to the unknown. The store is familiar, therefore ‘safe’. Italy isn’t familiar, so it’s dangerous. Also, the consequences of getting sick in Italy are disastrous.
Travel isn’t going to pick up for a long long time, and health checks at the airport won’t help.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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Not everyone is like you. Lots will feel safe traveling, especially once the 2 week quarantine is removed. But, feel safe at home.photofly wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:55 pm (Fewer.)
Because people (me included) prefer the known to the unknown. The store is familiar, therefore ‘safe’. Italy isn’t familiar, so it’s dangerous. Also, the consequences of getting sick in Italy are disastrous.
Travel isn’t going to pick up for a long long time, and health checks at the airport won’t help.
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If you read my post above you'll see why travelling on an aircraft is the riskiest thing you can do right now imho.
I'm only comfortable on our own aircraft with the same group of crew members every time. That's a controlled environment.
How do you think this virus was spread in the first place?
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Some will. But do you think having a COVID-19 test at the airport will be the deciding factor for many? I doubt it.
You know as well as I do that the travel industry is screwed for a good few years. It’s not the airlines’ fault, but there’s nothing they can do about it.
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DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
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By sick people travelling, and infecting others during their stay at their destinations. Not by infecting people during travel.Eric Janson wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:42 pm How do you think this virus was spread in the first place?
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Exactly. There's an important point to consider too in that alot of travel insurance companies are not covering if you get ill from covid-19 while abroad.Also, the consequences of getting sick in Italy are disastrous.
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Which, ironically, is what they should be doing if they want to keep selling travel insurance.Launchpad1 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:39 pmExactly. There's an important point to consider too in that alot of travel insurance companies are not covering if you get ill from covid-19 while abroad.Also, the consequences of getting sick in Italy are disastrous.
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
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Yeah I don't think as many people see things like you do, as you think.photofly wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:55 pm (Fewer.)
Because people (me included) prefer the known to the unknown. The store is familiar, therefore ‘safe’. Italy isn’t familiar, so it’s dangerous. Also, the consequences of getting sick in Italy are disastrous.
Travel isn’t going to pick up for a long long time, and health checks at the airport won’t help.
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The UK is part of the EU until December 31, 2020.Gilles Hudicourt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:33 pm The UK which is no longer part of the EU published its own list of countries whose residents are exempt from Quarantine when arriving in the UK. This list does not include Canada, China or the United States....
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus ... -corridors
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Dont take my word for it. Read it directly in the UK government’s own website.
https://www.gov.uk/transition
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus ... -corridors
The UK has a problem similar to Canada’s. It is made up of Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland, which all make their own policies. You will notice that the travel advisory above does not say the « UK » but « England ».....
It’s like if Trudeau opened Canada to travellers of certain countries but that these travellers, once in Canada, were barred from visiting the Maritimes, as I am now.......
https://www.gov.uk/transition
There is a transition period to settle certain matters but the EU not longer makes policy for the UK. The list of 14 countries the EU opened up to is not valid for the UK which drew up it own list, much longer than the EU’s but that does NOT include Canada.The UK has left the EU
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus ... -corridors
The UK has a problem similar to Canada’s. It is made up of Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland, which all make their own policies. You will notice that the travel advisory above does not say the « UK » but « England ».....
It’s like if Trudeau opened Canada to travellers of certain countries but that these travellers, once in Canada, were barred from visiting the Maritimes, as I am now.......
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And lots of people won't.
The question then becomes whether or not the decrease in demand will lower prices enough (hah!) to sufficiently entice those sitting on the fence.
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