250hr Pilot Advice

[OneYonge]

Why do people in this horrible economy with all the airlines tanking want to work for complete shit pay at the bottom for maybe a chance in many years to sit possibly at the right seat to make more shit pay doing that. This is even if you get a slot. Why not get a decent job make money and rent planes and fly some adventures.Ive been looking at videos of guys flying single engine planes all around the place including around the world doing real flying, instead of rotate and arm the autopilot and fly to 500 above the deck and disarm the autopilot.

This post and porcsord's post are both very valid. If you are smart and you have a way to make money and still fly airplanes...then you have it made. On the other hand, if you read porcsord's post and you recognize that you are built for that lifestyle....then you have it made. Now...if you listen to others, like dudes who think cleaning toilets is truly valuable...instead of just an occasional necessity...well...are you thinking for yourself?

[rookiepilot]

I hope young people on this thread realize "cleaning toilets" is both an example and an anology for the principle being shared. Yes, I did do it in an early job. Yes, it's humbling.

The principle for a young person, starting on a career path in any profession, is to approach a job with the attitude, do whatever it takes and with a good attitude, most importantly that of a student willing to be taught.

Whether that career is aviation or not -- no one can make that decision for you. Weigh the pros, cons, and decide what you really want out of life, and how badly you want it.

Do the little extra, every day. It won't kill you, and people in power will notice. That person who notices might be your boss, a customer, or a random individual. Believe me -- people are ALWAYS watching.

In time you will be "placed before kings" as the bible scripture outlines. People will listen to you, respect you, and payment will follow.

Higher responsibility, higher pay, doesn't come from hours or ratings or degrees, underneath it all. It comes from respect.

Those things might get you in the door, but won't bestow trust.

Every 50- something owner out there, looking at his / her 20 - something new employees, is asking one question:

"Can I trust this individual with my airplanes / customers / and ultimately to represent my business well?"

Trust isn't earned on the spot. It takes time.

I have seen all of this myself, starting from a place of every disadvantage you can possibly think of, and a number that you couldn't.

As your stature rises through the display of character, so will your bargaining position without struggle. Jobs and promotions will follow.

It takes time.

I recognize most will ignore or mock these words.

I don't care about you. Don't waste anyone's time. Live small, shallow, and bitter lives.

I write to the few, or the one who might reflect on the best advice I can give , from long experience.

[ErrPlane]

Do the little extra, every day. It won't kill you, and people in power will notice. That person who notices might be your boss, a customer, or a random individual. Believe me -- people are ALWAYS watching.

So much truth in this statement.

I can remember as a young man busting my ass day in and day out. My co-worker was a slacker, but had a knack for taking credit for the work with the boss. It pissed me off, but as a kid who wasn't particularly charismatic, I didn't know what to do about it.

I kept my head down and kept busting my ass while trying to figure it out, but as it turned out, the bosses were always watching a little closer than I thought. When it came time for a promotion, it was offered to me, and the boss mentioned that he had repeatedly seen how hard I was working.

Later in my life I had the opportunity to supervise people, and it was striking just how easy it was to see who the hard workers were, who was trying to take credit for that work, and who the slackers and troublemakers were.

Someone is ALWAYS watching, and even if it feels like your hard work is being overlooked, trust me. Someone who matters will notice.

[rookiepilot]

Do the little extra, every day. It won't kill you, and people in power will notice. That person who notices might be your boss, a customer, or a random individual. Believe me -- people are ALWAYS watching.

So much truth in this statement.

I can remember as a young man busting my ass day in and day out. My co-worker was a slacker, but had a knack for taking credit for the work with the boss. It pissed me off, but as a kid who wasn't particularly charismatic, I didn't know what to do about it.

I kept my head down and kept busting my ass while trying to figure it out, but as it turned out, the bosses were always watching a little closer than I thought. When it came time for a promotion, it was offered to me, and the boss mentioned that he had repeatedly seen how hard I was working.

Later in my life I had the opportunity to supervise people, and it was striking just how easy it was to see who the hard workers were, who was trying to take credit for that work, and who the slackers and troublemakers were.

Someone is ALWAYS watching, and even if it feels like your hard work is being overlooked, trust me. Someone who matters will notice.

Good story. It CAN be discouraging, and there ARE shitty companies. No ones disputing that, but your company isn't the only one watching you. You can move, and you can attest to your reputation and value. Nothing wrong with that -- if it's been earned.

[OneYonge]

I hope young people on this thread realize "cleaning toilets" is both an example and an anology for the principle being shared. Yes, I did do it in an early job. Yes, it's humbling.

The principle for a young person, starting on a career path in any profession, is to approach a job with the attitude, do whatever it takes and with a good attitude, most importantly that of a student willing to be taught.

Whether that career is aviation or not -- no one can make that decision for you. Weigh the pros, cons, and decide what you really want out of life, and how badly you want it.

Do the little extra, every day. It won't kill you, and people in power will notice. That person who notices might be your boss, a customer, or a random individual. Believe me -- people are ALWAYS watching.

In time you will be "placed before kings" as the bible scripture outlines. People will listen to you, respect you, and payment will follow.

Higher responsibility, higher pay, doesn't come from hours or ratings or degrees, underneath it all. It comes from respect.

Those things might get you in the door, but won't bestow trust.

Every 50- something owner out there, looking at his / her 20 - something new employees, is asking one question:

"Can I trust this individual with my airplanes / customers / and ultimately to represent my business well?"

Trust isn't earned on the spot. It takes time.

I have seen all of this myself, starting from a place of every disadvantage you can possibly think of, and a number that you couldn't.

As your stature rises through the display of character, so will your bargaining position without struggle. Jobs and promotions will follow.

It takes time.

I recognize most will ignore or mock these words.

I don't care about you. Don't waste anyone's time. Live small, shallow, and bitter lives.

I write to the few, or the one who might reflect on the best advice I can give , from long experience.

You certainly shouldn't have an attitude, if cleaning toilets is part of your job.

But this is not something to aim for. It isn't something to be proud of. And doing it does not necessarily make you a better pilot or a better employee. You don't get any extra points and noone owes you anything just because you cleaned toilets.

It is an easy job that you already should be doing in your own household. Obviously, always keep your work area clean.

Be smart and think for yourself. If you are smart and can get a situation where you don't have to do it, then more power to you. If you like cleaning toilets however, well good for you too!

There are many ways to skin a cat, if it isn't something you want to do, then don't do it. If it is part of the job that you applied for, then you have no right to complain.

[shimmydampner]

There are many ways to skin a cat, if it isn't something you want to do, then don't do it.

When it comes to striving for success, this has to be some of the worst advice I've ever heard.

[phuckit]

Your last sentence actually ticks me off, so I'll decline to answer.

This is a blog full of highly experienced pilots, and others like me, relatively low time pilots but an ocean of life, career, and business experience.

A lot of these high timers don't have a job right now, be nice if you acknowledged that, too.

It's YOUR job as one starting out, to sift through the chaff and glean whatever advice you find useful.

It's not any particular poster's job to comment in such a way with their advice, to ensure you're not offended and need to run to your safe place.

I think, you need to think about your attitude before seeking advice.

Sincerely.

Don't like it? Leave. No one owes you a thing.

I like how you say you'll decline to answer, then proceed to answer! This person's simply looking for advice. No, "experienced," pilot is going to be looking for a 250hr pilot job anyways. You'd be much better to find something else. Sometimes in life, it's good to try and rid things of negativity. The poster isn't trying to be ignorant/arrogant. They must simply understand that pilots just generally like to complain, and shoot others down when they themselves are down to try and make themselves feel better.

[OneYonge]

There are many ways to skin a cat, if it isn't something you want to do, then don't do it.

When it comes to striving for success, this has to be some of the worst advice I've ever heard.

I don't think you understand. Noone wants to hear you complain about having to do things you don't want to do.

Are you going to tell me that the sacrifices you made are really things you just didn't want to do? You chose to do them right? Did anyone force you? No. If I'm your boss and you tell me you would rather not do your job, then I will tell you, pack up your things and don't do it then.

If you think everyone really wants to be successful at this, you are mistaken. A lot of people are not meant to be in this industry and they should do something else.

[rookiepilot]

There are many ways to skin a cat, if it isn't something you want to do, then don't do it.

When it comes to striving for success, this has to be some of the worst advice I've ever heard.

I did what I didn't always want to do for a period of time, so I can do whatever I want, today.

You do you.

[digits_]

There are many ways to skin a cat, if it isn't something you want to do, then don't do it.

When it comes to striving for success, this has to be some of the worst advice I've ever heard.

I did what I didn't always want to do for a period of time, so I can do whatever I want, today.

You do you.

It's turning into a philosophical debate: the fact that you chose to do something you didn't want to do, means that it turned into something you did want to do, otherwise you wouldn't have done it. You might not have liked it, but you did want to do it at some point, in exchange for a higher chance of proper career progression

[rookiepilot]

When it comes to striving for success, this has to be some of the worst advice I've ever heard.

I did what I didn't always want to do for a period of time, so I can do whatever I want, today.

You do you.

It's turning into a philosophical debate: the fact that you chose to do something you didn't want to do, means that it turned into something you did want to do, otherwise you wouldn't have done it. You might not have liked it, but you did want to do it at some point, in exchange for a higher chance of proper career progression

Nope...anything but philosophical. Real life.

[OneYonge]

There are many ways to skin a cat, if it isn't something you want to do, then don't do it.

When it comes to striving for success, this has to be some of the worst advice I've ever heard.

I did what I didn't always want to do for a period of time, so I can do whatever I want, today.

You do you.

More power to you! You made some smart choices then. I'm sure you didn't mind the other work. You weren't crying about it the whole time right?

Realize that a lot of bosses do not want to hear you say that you don't want to do your job.

If you are pretending. They will find out and you are wasting their time. If this is the case, you are meant to do something else.