Buttonville CYKZ C172 Crash August 24, 2020

[pelmet]

Hard to see what his feet are doing but after applying full power, I would have expected to see the aircraft yaw to the left (instead of right), provided no rudder was applied, especially asuming the wind is coming from the right. Perhaps he over-corrected for the anticipated yaw? Is it possible there was something wrong with the directional control of the aircraft?

I believe full right rudder was applied to avoid the excursion. It was difficult to see the input but if you watch the top of his right knee, it disappears just as he adds full power and the aircraft starts the right turn. It was an over-reaction.

[Onesie]

He sure did come off cool as a cucumber... super calm and collected, ripping sideways down the grass for another circuit like ops normal... unreal. i came across this video through whatsapp... good question.. who leaked this vid? Doubt the fella who posted it on YT did with permission

[AuxBatOn]

Hard to see what his feet are doing but after applying full power, I would have expected to see the aircraft yaw to the left (instead of right), provided no rudder was applied, especially asuming the wind is coming from the right. Perhaps he over-corrected for the anticipated yaw? Is it possible there was something wrong with the directional control of the aircraft?

I believe full right rudder was applied to avoid the excursion. It was difficult to see the input but if you watch the top of his right knee, it disappears just as he adds full power and the aircraft starts the right turn. It was an over-reaction.

Sure then why not keep applying right rudder at least to avoid the hangar? He was trying to go right (as evidenced by the full right yoke).

[pelmet]

Hard to see what his feet are doing but after applying full power, I would have expected to see the aircraft yaw to the left (instead of right), provided no rudder was applied, especially asuming the wind is coming from the right. Perhaps he over-corrected for the anticipated yaw? Is it possible there was something wrong with the directional control of the aircraft?

I believe full right rudder was applied to avoid the excursion. It was difficult to see the input but if you watch the top of his right knee, it disappears just as he adds full power and the aircraft starts the right turn. It was an over-reaction.

Sure then why not keep applying right rudder at least to avoid the hangar? He was trying to go right (as evidenced by the full right yoke).

We are talking about a student pilot. One could also ask why he didn't bring the throttle to idle or not try to steer it like a car(or Ercoupe)........because he is a student pilot. Yes, I know, there are sharp student pilots. To expect all of them to react properly or logically when all kinds of licensed pilots don’t(some with significant experience) is not realistic.

[2R]

Where to begin ?

The way he rammed that throttle in was just rude !!!
That is no way to treat a lady .
I might have slapped his wrist if he done that with me sitting there , if I was paying the maintenance on that airplane it would be his last flight with my plane .

The accelerator pump on the Marvel carburetor is meant to prevent detention if you advance the throttle too quick , but that was just Rude . That habit would have to be changed before he got near big engines .

[pelmet]

C-GJQB a Cessna 172M, registered to Canadian Flyers International and being operated by a
student pilot (sole occupant) was conducting circuits at the Toronto Buttonville Municipal Airport
(CYKZ), ON. After the aircraft touched down for landing on runway 33 it veered to the left. The pilot
applied full power in an attempt to get airborne. However, the aircraft subsequently veered to the
right, exited the runway surface near taxiway BRAVO 1 (B1) and transitioned across a grass infield
area, a taxiway, and then collided with a hangar located on the apron. The aircraft was destroyed
and the hangar sustained substantial damage. The student pilot was taken to the hospital for
assessment, but received only minor injuries.

[rookiepilot]

Whoever had this video released it to the media as well.

Still pure educational motives at play? Interesting video, but one wonders.

Did this have the pilots permission to be released? How old was he?

I disagree with the constant reality TV part of the media reporting people's public meltdowns on commercial planes ect.

That is not "news". No Pulitzer Prize winning reporter would want to report someone's public meltdown. It's a daily portion of blood to feed the mob. People get off on the tragedy of others.

We don't know what was going on in so many of these situations. Mental illness. A death in the family. Fear of flying. Anxiety attacks. Yeah, there are racists. But that's far from all of what's going on that's people's worst days need to be made public all the time.

The media doesn't care. No one cares. People having a hard time exist to be mocked. Compassion has completely disappeared in our society. And that is not Donald Trump's fault, either.

It's the fault of those who voted for him. The social unrest in the US should surprise no-one.

I watched this video, and I simply see a young man not ready to go solo, and he panicked. Now he'll be laughed at for all time.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.4445719

EDIT:

IF this kid had died, burned alive in the crash, would it still be cool to publish the video, had it survived?

Sorry for thread drift.

[Dh8Classic]

Whoever had this video released it to the media as well.

Still pure educational motives at play? Interesting video, but one wonders.

Did this have the pilots permission to be released? How old was he?

I disagree with the constant reality TV part of the media reporting people's public meltdowns on commercial planes ect.

That is not "news". No Pulitzer Prize winning reporter would want to report someone's public meltdown. It's a daily portion of blood to feed the mob. People get off on the tragedy of others.

We don't know what was going on in so many of these situations. Mental illness. A death in the family. Fear of flying. Anxiety attacks. Yeah, there are racists. But that's far from all of what's going on that's people's worst days need to be made public all the time.

The media doesn't care. No one cares. People having a hard time exist to be mocked. Compassion has completely disappeared in our society. And that is not Donald Trump's fault, either.

It's the fault of those who voted for him. The social unrest in the US should surprise no-one.

I watched this video, and I simply see a young man not ready to go solo, and he panicked. Now he'll be laughed at for all time.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.4445719

EDIT:

IF this kid had died, burned alive in the crash, would it still be cool to publish the video, had it survived?

Sorry for thread drift.

It is the fault of Trump voters that the video was released and he is mocked. Trump voters, Trump voters.

[tsgarp]

Hard to see what his feet are doing but after applying full power, I would have expected to see the aircraft yaw to the left (instead of right), provided no rudder was applied, especially asuming the wind is coming from the right. Perhaps he over-corrected for the anticipated yaw? Is it possible there was something wrong with the directional control of the aircraft?

I believe full right rudder was applied to avoid the excursion. It was difficult to see the input but if you watch the top of his right knee, it disappears just as he adds full power and the aircraft starts the right turn. It was an over-reaction.

Sure then why not keep applying right rudder at least to avoid the hangar? He was trying to go right (as evidenced by the full right yoke).

If you listen you can hear a fair bit of tire squeal and what sounds like a pretty hearty shimmy in something. I wouldn’t be surprised there is a mechanical aspect to this.

[tsgarp]

Whoever had this video released it to the media as well.

Still pure educational motives at play? Interesting video, but one wonders.

Did this have the pilots permission to be released? How old was he?

I disagree with the constant reality TV part of the media reporting people's public meltdowns on commercial planes ect.

That is not "news". No Pulitzer Prize winning reporter would want to report someone's public meltdown. It's a daily portion of blood to feed the mob. People get off on the tragedy of others.

We don't know what was going on in so many of these situations. Mental illness. A death in the family. Fear of flying. Anxiety attacks. Yeah, there are racists. But that's far from all of what's going on that's people's worst days need to be made public all the time.

The media doesn't care. No one cares. People having a hard time exist to be mocked. Compassion has completely disappeared in our society. And that is not Donald Trump's fault, either.

It's the fault of those who voted for him. The social unrest in the US should surprise no-one.

I watched this video, and I simply see a young man not ready to go solo, and he panicked. Now he'll be laughed at for all time.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.4445719

EDIT:

IF this kid had died, burned alive in the crash, would it still be cool to publish the video, had it survived?

Sorry for thread drift.

The media is there to make money and distract the masses. They are also the circus in “Bread and Circuses”.

[tsgarp]

This accident was profoundly preventable. Insurance should be there for accidents which are much less preventable. Though this pilot meant no malice to our industry, non the less, he was unable to manage an entirely manageable situation, and we will all see an insurance rise because of that. Happily no one was hurt, that will raise our insurance much more.

Agreed. I really can’t lay the blame for this on the student pilot though; student pilots don’t know what they don’t know. I’m hesitant to even lay it on the instructor that signed him out solo, given that I’m willing to bet it was some poor Class IV. Class IV know even less of what they don’t know. The person who needs to answer for this is the CFI for not maintaining supervision on his school.

[rookiepilot]

This accident was profoundly preventable. Insurance should be there for accidents which are much less preventable. Though this pilot meant no malice to our industry, non the less, he was unable to manage an entirely manageable situation, and we will all see an insurance rise because of that. Happily no one was hurt, that will raise our insurance much more.

Agreed. I really can’t lay the blame for this on the student pilot though; student pilots don’t know what they don’t know. I’m hesitant to even lay it on the instructor that signed him out solo, given that I’m willing to bet it was some poor Class IV. Class IV know even less of what they don’t know. The person who needs to answer for this is the CFI for not maintaining supervision on his school.

So where's the video released to the media of an incompetent CFI, if that's true??

Too boring.....

I'd love someone from the media come on and defend the bottom feeding state of their profession. Media makes even politicians look honourable.

But we all know they are cowards who run from any scrutiny themselves, so I won't hold my breath.

Who released this video to the media anyway, and why? Speak up.

The world is so full of spineless cowards.

[photofly]

The video is on YouTube; it’s not like “the media” had to look very far.