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[eterepekio]

Muskoka Airport has a MF linked to Timmins Radio (RCO) to provide RAAS. When aircraft are calling for advisories, is "Muskoka Radio" acceptable or do you have to call "Timmins Radio" . I've heard mixed communications, some pilots calling "Muskoka" which doesn't really exist and others Timmins.

Thanks

[hydro]

Timmins Radio is the correct way to say it. Muskoka Radio gets the point across, but it's technically incorrect since 'Muskoka Radio' hasn't been around the 90's or so.

When I used to do the Muskoka RAAS (before it went to Timmins), most of us didn't really care if they called us Toronto/London Radio or Muskoka Radio. But might as well do it the correct way.

hydro

[eterepekio]

Thanks hydro.

[C-GPFG]

"Timmins Radio at Muskoka" is also pretty common.

[Icebound]

"Timmins Radio at Muskoka" is also pretty common.

Well, if anybody were to actually use the AIM, it is supposed to be:

Timmins Radio, this is Cherokee Golf Alpha Bravo Charlie on the Muskoka are-see-oh

(COM 5.8.3)


...

[desksgo]

"Timmins Radio at Muskoka" is also pretty common.

Well, if anybody were to actually use the AIM, it is supposed to be:

Timmins Radio, this is Cherokee Golf Alpha Bravo Charlie on the Muskoka are-see-oh

(COM 5.8.3)


...

The last time I said it like that, I got hung from my locker by my underwear.

[Icebound]

The last time I said it like that, I got hung from my locker by my underwear.

Uh-huh..... Hazardous attitude number 1 LOL

[Pilotapiper]

CYQA Muskoka is monitored by Timmons RDO, they need to be reminded it is class E not D or C airspace, they try to boss / intimidate VFR pilots around. They can’t stop a VFR from landing or taking off if the pilot deems the vis safe as your pilot in command and they can’t issue clearances to VFR pilots period, they only advise, remember it class E, they are remote and the weather sensors are far East of the runway and are often showing them incorrect vis readings. Many times they had some kid working the Radio mike in Timmins try to tell me I can’t enter the zone due to low viz when I can see the runway clearly.... again class E...
Enough said!

[Mayor_McCheese]

CYQA Muskoka is monitored by Timmons RDO, they need to be reminded it is class E not D or C airspace, they try to boss / intimidate VFR pilots around. They can’t stop a VFR from landing or taking off if the pilot deems the vis safe as your pilot in command and they can’t issue clearances to VFR pilots period, they only advise, remember it class E, they are remote and the weather sensors are far East of the runway and are often showing them incorrect vis readings. Many times they had some kid working the Radio mike in Timmins try to tell me I can’t enter the zone due to low viz when I can see the runway clearly.... again class E...
Enough said!

I can only assume that something recently happened to you there, since you just created this account today, in order to revive a 14 year old thread???

Or just venting?

[Pilotapiper]

Yup

First time ever, anywhere. Just learning how to vent publicly even if it’s may be on def ears.
I have a lot of gripes with YYZ ATC too, no answers here, going just have to deal with it.

[whipline]

I’ve heard Timmins being “not so kind”’to some aircraft recently. First I’ve heard that crap in years. Usually YQA very nice. One of them asked me for my time to actual touchdown when I called in. Being the prick I am I gave him an exact time down to the second. I was off by 4 seconds and made sure I let them know. I floated the landing.

I find yyz Centre great. The pros of the industry.

What happened to you?

[Pilotapiper]

Yes YYZ Center are for the most part Very professional, But sometimes I can’t figure their thinking, example I’m IFR equipped and capable doing my hundreds of commutes through the TERSA, Requested climb as soon as able, replied after your outside the ring sure but to GPS’s and landmarks say I am, several miles later then OK now you can, no traffic anywhere near, power trip maybe bad radar could be but most likely not.
I just landed came from the Northeast CND4 checked in with Centre for VFR advisory over Lake Simcoe, no problem there.
Nearing Kempenfelt bay I notice an ADSB target my altitude crossing my path going 145kts. I call Center and ask if they are painting any traffic ahead... Reply oh yes 11 o’clock and closing squalk ident please. A lot of VFR airplanes don’t have On board traffic so they shouldn’t say they will watch out and then don’t....
See and be seen..... I’ll have to fly slower or higher in our busy airspace.....

[photofly]

<stream of consciousness about flying>

I hope your ATC communications are easier to understand.

[fishface]

[Pilotapiper]

Hope so as I’m just a Pilot trying to stay alive up there, not an English Major...
Lol....

[whipline]

Now I’m leaning towards Timmins FSS correcting you about something in YQA.

[Pilotapiper]

Timmins was incorrect in their over reach and London FSS agreed and gave me an 800 number and suggested I lodge a formal complaint as this has happened several times, I didn’t and should have as this seems to be the only official Way to make change / educate and may maybe COPA. Not this blog I’m just seeing if others have also noticed this. Said enough on this topic I’m done.
Back to flying.......

[kevenv]

Timmins was incorrect in their over reach and London FSS agreed and gave me an 800 number and suggested I lodge a formal complaint as this has happened several times, I didn’t and should have as this seems to be the only official Way to make change / educate and may maybe COPA. Not this blog I’m just seeing if others have also noticed this. Said enough on this topic I’m done.
Back to flying.......

So you were given the tools to lodge a formal complaint and chose not to. Then you come on here and resurrect a 14 year old thread to complain? Why wouldn't you have just called and complained? You may have achieved something instead of this.

[Mayor_McCheese]

Timmins was incorrect in their over reach and London FSS agreed and gave me an 800 number and suggested I lodge a formal complaint as this has happened several times, I didn’t and should have as this seems to be the only official Way to make change / educate and may maybe COPA. Not this blog I’m just seeing if others have also noticed this. Said enough on this topic I’m done.
Back to flying.......

So you were given the tools to lodge a formal complaint and chose not to. Then you come on here and resurrect a 14 year old thread to complain? Why wouldn't you have just called and complained? You may have achieved something instead of this.

This +1

[rxl]

CYQA Muskoka is monitored by Timmons RDO, they need to be reminded it is class E not D or C airspace, they try to boss / intimidate VFR pilots around. They can’t stop a VFR from landing or taking off if the pilot deems the vis safe as your pilot in command and they can’t issue clearances to VFR pilots period, they only advise, remember it class E, they are remote and the weather sensors are far East of the runway and are often showing them incorrect vis readings. Many times they had some kid working the Radio mike in Timmins try to tell me I can’t enter the zone due to low viz when I can see the runway clearly.... again class E...
Enough said!

I just stumbled onto this and I know I’m late to the party but I couldn’t let these unfair and wrong headed comments go unchallenged. Actually, NOT enough said!

YTS FSS is not trying to “boss / intimidate” anyone. They are simply doing their job. If the weather report available to the FSS specialist providing (R)AAS indicates that it is below VFR limits, he/she is obligated to ADVISE you that VFR is not authorized in the control zone BECAUSE IT IS NOT! The fact that the YQA control zone is Class E airspace is irrelevant to your argument. Class E IS controlled airspace. To enter a control zone (C, D or E) VFR with a report of below VFR weather conditions requires a Special VFR authorization from the ATC unit responsible for that airspace.
For reference, see TC AIM RAC 2.7.3./ CAR 602.117.
TC AIM RAC 4.5.1 is pretty clear about this too -
“The flight service specialist will advise pilots of below-minima
conditions reported in the current official METAR or SPECI.
This will ensure a common reference for pilots and ATS personnel
since IFR or SVFR authorization would then be required to
operate within the control zone.“

Certainly actual weather conditions as seen from the aircraft can differ from that reported. This can be especially true of AWOS reports. Offering a PIREP is always helpful.

Have you ever operated a flight into or out of YTS airport? (by the way TIMMINS not TIMMONS)
If you have then you should have at least some appreciation for how busy FSS personnel can be at a station like this with responsibility for a number of airports. They have to prioritize, so there are times when we as pilots just have to be patient, especially when operating VFR.