Pfizer Covid Vaccine shows 90% effectiveness.

[northernpilot2]

It’s amazing the amount of fear many here swallowed hook line and sinker. If you want to stay home and cower in fear, feel free. Let the others live their lives. People have totally lost all sense of reality that cold/flu/pneumonia have killed thousands every year and we somehow went about our lives in years past.

Well said. I absolutely agree with you my friend. The world is becoming a sad place.

[montado]

It’s amazing the amount of fear many here swallowed hook line and sinker. If you want to stay home and cower in fear, feel free. Let the others live their lives. People have totally lost all sense of reality that cold/flu/pneumonia have killed thousands every year and we somehow went about our lives in years past.

No need to cower in fear, just wear a mask and/or keep your distance, and don't throw massive parties.

People have totally lost all sense of reality that cold/flu/pneumonia have killed thousands every year and we somehow went about our lives in years past.

My immunosuppressed relative couldn't get her regular blood test recently, as hospitals are overloaded with COVID cases. Maybe you should tell her that she's lost her sense of reality, and I'm sure she'll happily rip you a new one.

No, the reason your relative couldn’t get her blood test was because your government for nearly a year has refused to prepare hospitals to meet the demands of a pandemic. Not only were they not prepared at the start, they continue to this day to do @#$! all to improve the healthcare system.

Your government has chosen to spend billions on emergency response benefits, covid testing, a failed lockdown. They costed people their jobs and livelihoods. Obviously a lockdown without a plan afterwards just puts us back in the same situation afterwards when you open up.

Sure hindsight is 20/20. If we could do it all again, instead of diddling our thumbs all summer after the initial lockdown waiting for things to go away, they would have invested in preparing hospitals to deal with covid. Remember all summer nurses and doctors were bored waiting for a wave of people while turning away everyone who didn’t have covid. China built a hospital in 6 days... what have we been doing? Oh that’s right.... we keep telling people to wear masks... we keep blaming people, we say they are killing grandma, all sorts of whacky shit we do... when really we could have built healthcare ready to treat people, while keeping the economy going, no reason the young and healthy can’t keep working.

So what’s coming now? The feds say we are out of money to give... we are about to lockdown in Ontario... we are about to harm more lives and jobs to stop the spread. Will you accept this is reasonable? Then what, after the lockdown without a vaccine we are back at square one with the same shitty hospitals turning away everyone without covid. It’s the perpetual cycle of stupidity going on. Masks have nothing to do with it. Whether masks are effective at this point is irrelevant, mask policy has not been effective, whether it’s that masks don’t work, compliance is low, or we are wearing them wrong, who gives a shit... the policy has failed..l we have had a year to figure it out and we are still on the path to failure and that’s all that’s important. The only thing Canada has going right now is a maybe vaccine... it’s like we are holding out for lottery ticket win rather than investing. Wear your stupid masks everyone, it can hide the sad look on your face that knows the ship is sinking,

[2R]

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coro ... es/canada/

“The great advantage of being able to read is you can educate yourself . You do not need to remain ignorant all your life “ Sean Connery

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/coronavirustracker/

[CpnCrunch]

No, the reason your relative couldn’t get her blood test was because your government for nearly a year has refused to prepare hospitals to meet the demands of a pandemic. Not only were they not prepared at the start, they continue to this day to do @#$! all to improve the healthcare system.

So, I guess you've done the calculations and determined the cost of building all these hospitals is less than CERB, and you've also modelled the spread of the virus and determined how many hospitals will need to be built to care for all the patients. Right?

From where I'm sitting, things have gone mostly pretty well until now. No lockdowns, life pretty much normal (at least here in BC). Most people still working. It's only now that things are starting to go tits up, and it seems to be because people are just starting to do the exact wrong things right now, after 8 months of doing things right. We're seeing news stories every day of massive parties causing outbreaks. It's really very simple. This stuff isn't rocket science. We've known for a long time how viruses like this spread, and this one isn't particularly different in that respect, and it's pretty easy to avoid catching it with a little bit of effort.

[mixturerich]

Wear your stupid masks everyone, it can hide the sad look on your face that knows the ship is sinking,

Wow man you sound like a real, proud, respectful, cooperative member of society.

I still don’t understand...why are you being such an a-hole about something that might help reduce the spread, even if it’s marginal? And your mocking people for wearing masks now? What’s wrong with you? Like, where are your morals at?

We don’t make the bloody policies anyways. We just follow them, and have very little say. Nobody here is claiming that masks are the silver bullet to solve this pandemic. But they certainly help, if only a bit. So we might as well, right? RIGHT?

What am I missing here

[Castorero]

I have snow tires with studs and more often than not, will have all-wheel drive on, still, I skidded off the beaten track and ended up in this thread.

Like a moth to a flame...

I try not to engage in these types of conversations with friends or neighbors because it just proves the fact that we all have an opinion and some will defend it to the death, right or wrong.

I have a neighbor whose brother will tell you that the earth is flat and believes it with every fiber of his being. Those people will often benefit from some low dose medication, but it is near impossible to persuade them to take it.

When mental illness is not an obstacle, deferring to experts in their field is often the chosen path of most reasonable people.
There is just not enough time for all of us to become experts in every field. Those days are long behind us.
Even Da Vinci and Newton would have a hard time mastering the overwhelming minutiae of our age.

We are happy to sit back and watch a movie on an overseas flight, confident that the crew upfront will deliver us safe and sound to destination.
The environment onboard is little different than the outside. We follow the directions of the FA just as we obey a stop sign at an intersection, or wear a seat belt or not drink and drive, etc.

The environment in this pandemic is the same.

Health experts advice the government on how best to deal with the pandemic and in a sane world that advice is weighed and implemented to varying degrees.
The numbers will tell whether they are on the right track or not.

Canada has done a pretty good job at walking this fine line, with BC at the head of the pack, behind Nunavut.

I dont have time to pursue a PhD in Epidemiology or any other discipline at my advanced stage of decay, so am happy to read some, follow the advice of the experts and stay away from Fox News.

Much less stressful in the long run.

This Pandemic will yield to Science in time.

Let us all do our little part, and hopefully we will all survive it to fly another day.

[ReserveTank]

Yes. The horror of wanting people to actually know what they're talking about. Just awful.

A diploma means that you know what you're talking about? This makes me laugh. Sarah Palin had a diploma in journalism.

philanthropic organization

...makes tons of money... FIFY. He invests in vaccine R and D. Just because certain citizens receive vaccines "for free," this does not make it philanthropy. State funds, NGOs, etc.

What guys? You'll need to be more specific.

Were you in a coma during the crisis?

But the lack of a diploma somehow make one morally superior? One's desire to do right is irrelevant if they are too ignorant to know the difference between helping and hindering. And to be clear, there are several professional areas where your moral behaviour in a professional context does in fact impact your ability to maintain your qualifications. Several (all?) health care practicices would fit this description.

You were the one making the point about an epidemiology diploma...and your context was that it is superior. Having one or not makes no difference if you are working against the benefit of humanity. Worse yet, it's easy to fool people into thinking that a diploma gives you authority of decisions of our everyday life. People trust authority, especially if they've been easily scared. If one is corrupted and of bad character, if one means malice for profit--what then does a diploma mean?

[ReserveTank]

hospitals are overloaded with COVID cases.

At least that's what you're being told, and that was the answer that you accepted without doubt.
People went out in the spring to film hospitals only to find them empty during the "COVID hospital bed shortage." Of course, MSM doesn't report that--It's a conspiracy theory. But it is on video. It's out there if you want to know.
Remember all of the bored nurses at hundreds of hospitals doing their Tik Tok dance routines?

[montado]

Wear your stupid masks everyone, it can hide the sad look on your face that knows the ship is sinking,

Wow man you sound like a real, proud, respectful, cooperative member of society.

I still don’t understand...why are you being such an a-hole about something that might help reduce the spread, even if it’s marginal? And your mocking people for wearing masks now? What’s wrong with you? Like, where are your morals at?

We don’t make the bloody policies anyways. We just follow them, and have very little say. Nobody here is claiming that masks are the silver bullet to solve this pandemic. But they certainly help, if only a bit. So we might as well, right? RIGHT?

What am I missing here

I think what you are missing is that it is my personal belief that masks are not very effective, but that I also 100 percent comply with mask policy... I don’t even play the “health issue” card to make it seem like I’m exempt. So my opinion has had zero bearing on anyone’s health due to covid as I have been complying with the guidelines since day one.

So what makes me an asshole? That I don’t share the same beliefs as you and I feel that mask policy has been ineffective? Why does this offend everyone so much? All I’m saying is I don’t think the masks work so I am going to live my life like it doesn’t work.

I know people don’t truly believe in the efficacy of masks because if I ask if they would board a bus with a known covid case, but everyone has a mask on... everyone says no way! Ah well sorry for the input, sorry you are so offended that I don’t think masks are working. I’ll keep wearing my mask for you, and you keep calling me the asshole because I don’t think it works.

We have entered that new normal of it being acceptable to hold people accountable for their dangerous actions! Did you see that woman try to board a SWA flight who had to much cleavage? Denied! Gate agent knows it’s her job to enforce what is acceptable. See your neighbours with a friend over? Call the police! This is the right thing to do. We need more citizen justice warriors... see someone with their mask on wrong... find the nearest bylaw officer to hand them a fine. Mixturerich makes a great new normal citizen justice warrior. Go pull that tshirt out of your overnight bag so you can mitigate the risks of that passengers tits hanging out. We need to stop all these crazy things going on in this world! We have a cloth solution for everything!

[CpnCrunch]

At least that's what you're being told, and that was the answer that you accepted without doubt.
People went out in the spring to film hospitals only to find them empty during the "COVID hospital bed shortage." Of course, MSM doesn't report that--It's a conspiracy theory. But it is on video. It's out there if you want to know.
Remember all of the bored nurses at hundreds of hospitals doing their Tik Tok dance routines?

You might want to go out and educate yourself rather than believing the crap you read on Breitbart.

[mbav8r]

hospitals are overloaded with COVID cases.

At least that's what you're being told, and that was the answer that you accepted without doubt.
People went out in the spring to film hospitals only to find them empty during the "COVID hospital bed shortage." Of course, MSM doesn't report that--It's a conspiracy theory. But it is on video. It's out there if you want to know.
Remember all of the bored nurses at hundreds of hospitals doing their Tik Tok dance routines?

Im sure they filmed the hospitals where the most amount of cases were, right?

[CpnCrunch]

hospitals are overloaded with COVID cases.

At least that's what you're being told, and that was the answer that you accepted without doubt.
People went out in the spring to film hospitals only to find them empty during the "COVID hospital bed shortage." Of course, MSM doesn't report that--It's a conspiracy theory. But it is on video. It's out there if you want to know.
Remember all of the bored nurses at hundreds of hospitals doing their Tik Tok dance routines?

Im sure they filmed the hospitals where the most amount of cases were, right?

There was never a shortage in MB (which is where I was talking about). In fact, there have been about 2 new cases a day all year up until a month ago...i.e. virtually nothing. How on earth could anyone think the hospitals were overwhelmed back then is a mystery. It's been pretty similar all over Canada as far as I'm aware. It's only now that there is a problem.

Sometimes people just don't engage their brain.

[mixturerich]

So what makes me an asshole? That I don’t share the same beliefs as you and I feel that mask policy has been ineffective? Why does this offend everyone so much? All I’m saying is I don’t think the masks work so I am going to live my life like it doesn’t work.

But this is why people are offended, because you’re deliberately choosing the riskier route and choosing it as a hill to die on and it makes no sense. It can only be more harmful, not helpful! So I still have to wonder wtf is wrong with you, mocking us over it. It’s like you’re trying to actively convince people that masks are bullshit with the inflammatory and mocking words that you choose. It’s a dick move man. People have very little power over this pandemic. Literally all they have to hold on to is mask wearing. It’s the easiest thing everyone can do, and here you are incessantly making fun of it.

Mixturerich makes a great new normal citizen justice warrior. Go pull that tshirt out of your overnight bag so you can mitigate the risks of that passengers tits hanging out

Again with the mocking, thanks.

[rookiepilot]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba ... -1.5802494

Fines issued to protestors. GOOD.

Should lose their provincial health cards too.
Equivalent to a lifetime flight ban for not obeying the rules.

[montado]

I think what you are missing is that it is my personal belief that masks are not very effective, but that I also 100 percent comply with mask policy... I don’t even play the “health issue” card to make it seem like I’m exempt. So my opinion has had zero bearing on anyone’s health due to covid as I have been complying with the guidelines since day one.

So what makes me an asshole? That I don’t share the same beliefs as you and I feel that mask policy has been ineffective? Why does this offend everyone so much? All I’m saying is I don’t think the masks work so I am going to live my life like it doesn’t work.

But this is why people are offended, because you’re deliberately choosing the riskier route and choosing it as a hill to die on and it makes no sense. It can only be more harmful, not helpful! So I still have to wonder wtf is wrong with you, mocking us over it. It’s like you’re trying to actively convince people that masks are bullshit with the inflammatory and mocking words that you choose. It’s a dick move man. People have very little power over this pandemic. Literally all they have to hold on to is mask wearing. It’s the easiest thing everyone can do, and here you are incessantly making fun of it.

Mixturerich makes a great new normal citizen justice warrior. Go pull that tshirt out of your overnight bag so you can mitigate the risks of that passengers tits hanging out

Again with the mocking, thanks.

FTFY

[montado]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba ... -1.5802494

Fines issued to protestors. GOOD.

Should lose their provincial health cards too.
Equivalent to a lifetime flight ban for not obeying the rules.

Rookiepilot I think your views of encouragement of fines and not defending people’s right to protest Is very radical. It is also very radical to say we should take away their provincial health insurance. Just because you don’t agree with people doesn’t mean we should not fight to make sure they can be heard. This would be like me saying fat people and smokers should not qualify for provincial health insurance. I find it very radical your point of view. I would even say your views are fascist, and completely against what being a Canadian is about.

These people are outdoors, it’s very low risk, clearly they are not out being facetious. Is it ideal to be out protesting during a pandemic? No...but they aren’t being radical about it. Did you think Trudeau and the other protesters during the BLM protest should be fined? Are you a hypocrite?

https://nationalpost.com/news/trudeau-d ... g-covid-19

OTTAWA – Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said it was important for him to attend a Black Lives Matter protest on Parliament Hill Friday, despite public health advice he has personally delivered to Canadians, about avoiding large groups to prevent the spread of COVID-19.

“To look out the windows of my office and see thousand upon thousands of young people, of Canadians of all ages stand in solidarity, wanting to see change happen, I felt it was important for me to be part of that,” he said. “To be able to listen, to be able to hear people and to be able to understand and to share with people how important it was to act.”

100% fascist hypocrites. Apparently you can only protest certain opinions that our government feels important, or else you should be fined.

[mbav8r]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba ... -1.5802494

Fines issued to protestors. GOOD.

Should lose their provincial health cards too.
Equivalent to a lifetime flight ban for not obeying the rules.

Rookiepilot I think your views of encouragement of fines and not defending people’s right to protest Is very radical. It is also very radical to say we should take away their provincial health insurance. Just because you don’t agree with people doesn’t mean we should not fight to make sure they can be heard. This would be like me saying fat people and smokers should not qualify for provincial health insurance. I find it very radical your point of view. I would even say your views are fascist, and completely against what being a Canadian is about.

These people are outdoors, it’s very low risk, clearly they are not out being facetious. Is it ideal to be out protesting during a pandemic? No...but they aren’t being radical about it. Did you think Trudeau and the other protesters during the BLM protest should be fined? Are you a hypocrite?

https://nationalpost.com/news/trudeau-d ... g-covid-19

OTTAWA – Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said it was important for him to attend a Black Lives Matter protest on Parliament Hill Friday, despite public health advice he has personally delivered to Canadians, about avoiding large groups to prevent the spread of COVID-19.

“To look out the windows of my office and see thousand upon thousands of young people, of Canadians of all ages stand in solidarity, wanting to see change happen, I felt it was important for me to be part of that,” he said. “To be able to listen, to be able to hear people and to be able to understand and to share with people how important it was to act.”

100% fascist hypocrites. Apparently you can only protest certain opinions that our government feels important, or else you should be fined.

The right to protest doesn’t trump public health orders and the article Rookie quoted doesn’t even. Reference the content I posted below. TEN TIMES THE NATIONAL AVERAGE and these brainiacs are out protesting public health orders, the hospitals in Manitoba are overwhelmed now, early on in the pandemic Manitoba did so well, I have no idea why it’s the runaway freight train it is now but that’s where we are!

https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/steinbach-d ... -1.5185512

Steinbach dealing with some of the highest COVID rates in Canada
The City of Steinbach, which has a population of around 21,000, has one of the highest infection rates in the country.

“Steinbach accounts for about ten per cent of the Southern Health Region and about a third of active cases (in that region) right now,” said EPI research epidemiologist Cynthia Carr
She says that number is twice as high as Winnipeg and ten times the national average”

[mbav8r]

At least that's what you're being told, and that was the answer that you accepted without doubt.
People went out in the spring to film hospitals only to find them empty during the "COVID hospital bed shortage." Of course, MSM doesn't report that--It's a conspiracy theory. But it is on video. It's out there if you want to know.
Remember all of the bored nurses at hundreds of hospitals doing their Tik Tok dance routines?

Im sure they filmed the hospitals where the most amount of cases were, right?

There was never a shortage in MB (which is where I was talking about). In fact, there have been about 2 new cases a day all year up until a month ago...i.e. virtually nothing. How on earth could anyone think the hospitals were overwhelmed back then is a mystery. It's been pretty similar all over Canada as far as I'm aware. It's only now that there is a problem.

Sometimes people just don't engage their brain.

How about now Cpncrunch? By all accounts, according to the health experts Manitobans were very good at following orders, we certainly dropped the ball now haven’t we. Past numbers don’t mean much given the current environment we find ourselves in.
I don’t have the desire to look up past articles but there were some regions that their hospitals were overwhelmed, the ones who took the most conservative actions early suffered the consequences.

[CpnCrunch]

How about now Cpncrunch? By all accounts, according to the health experts Manitobans were very good at following orders, we certainly dropped the ball now haven’t we. Past numbers don’t mean much given the current environment we find ourselves in.
I don’t have the desire to look up past articles but there were some regions that their hospitals were overwhelmed, the ones who took the most conservative actions early suffered the consequences.

Manitoba went from 2 cases per day for most of the summer, to about 500 per day now. The health system simply can't cope with that kind of increase. Brian Pallister says "Those dumb things, they’re endangering all of us...This is maddening, to put it mildly … They’re endangering other people’s lives while they’re being thoughtless". One person who was in contact with a COVID case went to a funeral and then a personal care home, and started an outbreak. Another person went to a party even though they knew they had COVID.

It's not just Manitoba...the same things have been happening everywhere. It's like Trump says: people are just fed up with COVID and just want it to go away now.

[ReserveTank]

At least that's what you're being told, and that was the answer that you accepted without doubt.
People went out in the spring to film hospitals only to find them empty during the "COVID hospital bed shortage." Of course, MSM doesn't report that--It's a conspiracy theory. But it is on video. It's out there if you want to know.
Remember all of the bored nurses at hundreds of hospitals doing their Tik Tok dance routines?

You might want to go out and educate yourself rather than believing the crap you read on Breitbart.

So you don't believe your own eyes when you see it? Because they told you not to believe. They told you not to deduce for yourself from what you're witnessing. So you put your mind in neutral.

By the way, Breitbart is also MSM, so I take it with a grain of salt, thanks. What do you consider education, gluing yourself to the TV and hanging on their every breath as new scary stats emerge? You see "experts" constantly contradicting themselves and each other, but you think this is ok? When an expert says "It could be...," and "We don't know...," can you really trust them as experts?

Look--since the beginning of rhetoric, "experts" have been creating problems and goosing statistics to achieve their desired outcome from the public. The major players (especially in the USA) have major conflicts of interest.

Perhaps you like this "pandemic." Maybe you hate people and wish them economic despair. You'll get your wish, because this industry isn't recovering (and neither is any other).

[Inverted2]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba ... -1.5802494

Fines issued to protestors. GOOD.

Should lose their provincial health cards too.
Equivalent to a lifetime flight ban for not obeying the rules.

Spoken like a true communist.

[montado]

The right to protest doesn’t trump public health orders and the article Rookie quoted doesn’t even. Reference the content I posted below. TEN TIMES THE NATIONAL AVERAGE and these brainiacs are out protesting public health orders, the hospitals in Manitoba are overwhelmed now, early on in the pandemic Manitoba did so well, I have no idea why it’s the runaway freight train it is now but that’s where we are!

https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/steinbach-d ... -1.5185512

Steinbach dealing with some of the highest COVID rates in Canada
The City of Steinbach, which has a population of around 21,000, has one of the highest infection rates in the country.

“Steinbach accounts for about ten per cent of the Southern Health Region and about a third of active cases (in that region) right now,” said EPI research epidemiologist Cynthia Carr
She says that number is twice as high as Winnipeg and ten times the national average”

What if you are protesting the public health orders themselves? How is it logical you can remove your mask in a gym or at a restaurant, but you can’t protest outdoors?

Maybe if policies were logical and not discriminatory people would not be so outraged. I have a family member who works in the restaurant business along with his partner who is expecting a baby in a few months. They are both out of work, both completely fucked over by fords actions. Ford told all the restaurants close for 28 days because they were the problem, now over a month later covid cases have doubled, looks like closing the restaurants did nothing in Toronto to slow the spread. Maybe people are outraged because we are not in this together.

Who supports a lockdown? Want to make it fair? Okay everyone lockdown, no one gets paid. If you think it’s fair to force close gyms, and restaurants, take away their wages, then let’s get this over with. Every private sector and public sector employees get a wage freeze for a month lockdown. No one gets paid so we can all be in this together.

How can you fault people for being angry and protesting when hard working people on the bottom income scales working in restaurants. Meanwhile teachers were sent home in March and never missed one days pay over it. In fact tdsb principals were given a bonus for all their “hard work”, not sure if that was retracted.

The moment politicians propose logical policies, maybe you will see less protesting. Heck in Italy people were out on the streets last month as government tried to lockdown. Maybe it’s time public health stops trying to run the country and government steps up to do their job.

['97 Tercel]

Time to quit testing.

[rookiepilot]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba ... -1.5802494

Fines issued to protestors. GOOD.

Should lose their provincial health cards too.
Equivalent to a lifetime flight ban for not obeying the rules.

Spoken like a true communist.

Gee, CNPC says I'm a disgruntled Trump supporter.

Make up your minds.

[montado]

Since the pandemic has become so political I thought this was funny, the truth is probably somewhere in between what everyone is saying.