Swoop alum

[discountpilot]

Did anyone even notice they're still paying almost $2k a month for a condo? Lol

[George Taylor]

You should change your door mat from "of wings and wheels" to "2 turds on wheels"

[Hangry]

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[330heavy]

As a couple others have stated. This can easily be any of the thousands living off CEWS or EI from any of the 705/704 etc. So what if they pursue this van lifestyle, many are moving towards the mini-homes due to prices of houses and the lack of pay. As another poster stated, most of the original Swoopsters are gone. I didn't support Swoop and still support the blacklist, however, most of those perps have moved on. But how they live?? Who TF are you to question them? Tell us how you live, tell us about your cottage and sports car and 5th wife etc, see how much sympathy or "cools" you get.

It's bad enough we back stab and shame our fellow pilots, at least back off on how they live. Many of those starting at Jazz or Encore have to live in their parents basement. You know why? Because of dumbshits before them who voted shit contracts to allow the Swoops, Encore and Jazz's to happen. The whole getting stoned at rock houses and all.

[telex]

You know why? Because of dumbshits before them who voted shit contracts to allow the Swoops, Encore and Jazz's to happen.

Zip?

Tango?

Never forget.

[Raincoast]

As a couple others have stated. This can easily be any of the thousands living off CEWS or EI from any of the 705/704 etc. So what if they pursue this van lifestyle, many are moving towards the mini-homes due to prices of houses and the lack of pay. As another poster stated, most of the original Swoopsters are gone. I didn't support Swoop and still support the blacklist, however, most of those perps have moved on. But how they live?? Who TF are you to question them? Tell us how you live, tell us about your cottage and sports car and 5th wife etc, see how much sympathy or "cools" you get.

It's bad enough we back stab and shame our fellow pilots, at least back off on how they live. Many of those starting at Jazz or Encore have to live in their parents basement. You know why? Because of dumbshits before them who voted shit contracts to allow the Swoops, Encore and Jazz's to happen. The whole getting stoned at rock houses and all.

Aggreed! Those days that the spouse's a-bitchin, kids are pestering, skools on the phone 'cos one got suspended, and the mortgage, Visa, car payment, and electricity bills are all due together, f@@king off to live in a Van looks pretty damn good!

[flyinhigh]

I'm more inclined to wonder why/how a article of this nature came about.

Hey, look at me I'm a pilot driving a van...

[FL320]

As a couple others have stated. This can easily be any of the thousands living off CEWS or EI from any of the 705/704 etc. So what if they pursue this van lifestyle, many are moving towards the mini-homes due to prices of houses and the lack of pay. As another poster stated, most of the original Swoopsters are gone. I didn't support Swoop and still support the blacklist, however, most of those perps have moved on. But how they live?? Who TF are you to question them? Tell us how you live, tell us about your cottage and sports car and 5th wife etc, see how much sympathy or "cools" you get.

It's bad enough we back stab and shame our fellow pilots, at least back off on how they live. Many of those starting at Jazz or Encore have to live in their parents basement. You know why? Because of dumbshits before them who voted shit contracts to allow the Swoops, Encore and Jazz's to happen. The whole getting stoned at rock houses and all.

Aggreed! Those days that the spouse's a-bitchin, kids are pestering, skools on the phone 'cos one got suspended, and the mortgage, Visa, car payment, and electricity bills are all due together, f@@king off to live in a Van looks pretty damn good!

Years ago my wife and I have decided to go back to a more simple life (after a tragic event in our family). We sold the big house and lots of stuff we weren’t really using, then we moved into a small condo living an extremely minimalist lifestyle (fed up with the overconsumption!). Great decision; we love it. We are now working on the idea of living in a van fulltime (we have no kids). It’s not a matter of being financially broke, it’s a feeling of being free from stress. I totally understand their motivation. Most of our friends and family members don’t understand our lifestyle and some think that’s because we are struggling financially which is not normal for a pilot. Our house income is 320k/year, condo paid, 7 figures in a portfolio that gives in return more than our living costs, but we are driving an old car and about to live in a van (near an airport).

[ayseven]

Is anybody here lining up offering this guy and his partner better paying jobs than they already have? Probably not, so I think all the words about how he is dragging your self image down are a bit hollow. Should the profession be better? Of course. If this guy doesn't do what he is doing, somebody from the Third World will come in and do it. Is that a better scenario?

Give the guy a bloody break.

[iflyforpie]

If you live in a van, you have lost the game of life! You can’t spin it into a positive.

What is a positive?

Hot bunking in a squalid crash-pad with a dozen other dudes?

Taking one or two of your GDOs each block to do some heavy petting with CATSA and play the game of musical chairs and inevitable cluster fvcks with commuting?

Joining the lemmings for a deadly two hour drive from a suicide inducing suburb?

Stuck in a tiny condo built slap-dash during a boom run by a corrupt and draconian condo board that will be the mine canary for any real estate correction?

Or king of the hill... owning detached 30 minutes from your base by sheer luck or decades of masochism and to now be 100% tied down to employer, mortgage, and probably alimony as well.... worried sick about property taxes and rezoning and crime waves and home repairs too because your million dollar house is actually a dump.

Seems to me that being free of liabilities and possessions causes just as much if not more satisfaction and security as having them. I just bought a motorhome and for the first time in years I didn’t pay someone else—whether it be rent, interest on a mortgage, property taxes, hotel, campsite, etc... for the pleasure of just being able to sleep.

That’s saying something in today’s world.

[777Aviate]

Is anybody here lining up offering this guy and his partner better paying jobs than they already have? Probably not, so I think all the words about how he is dragging your self image down are a bit hollow. Should the profession be better? Of course. If this guy doesn't do what he is doing, somebody from the Third World will come in and do it. Is that a better scenario?

Give the guy a bloody break.

There aren't any "better" paying jobs in this industry. I guess everyone in the industry is "living the dream" but honestly everyone who's in the profession would probably be better off working in a PepsiCo warehouse.

Do you really think someone from the third world will come all the way here to fly at our poverty level wages if they have experience in their home country? They have waaaaay better options like going to the middle east or asia where you can actually afford a decent lifestyle.

[stabilizer]

Years ago my wife and I have decided to go back to a more simple life (after a tragic event in our family). We sold the big house and lots of stuff we weren’t really using, then we moved into a small condo living an extremely minimalist lifestyle (fed up with the overconsumption!). Great decision; we love it. We are now working on the idea of living in a van fulltime (we have no kids). It’s not a matter of being financially broke, it’s a feeling of being free from stress. I totally understand their motivation. Most of our friends and family members don’t understand our lifestyle and some think that’s because we are struggling financially which is not normal for a pilot. Our house income is 320k/year, condo paid, 7 figures in a portfolio that gives in return more than our living costs, but we are driving an old car and about to live in a van (near an airport).

Two questions for you FL320

1 --- Did you contacted a media outlet to publicise your alternative lifestyle choices, while posing for pictures in your airline uniform?

2 --- Were you a Scab at Swoop during the ALPA hiring ban?

I suspect you did neither.

Tbaylx on the other hand, did both. This story is not about living in a van. This is about an individual who has made countless decisions throughout his career that have negatively impacted our profession. He does not deserve "a break". He paid for the privilege to fly a clapped out MD83 for peanuts, jumped ship from multiple bottom feeder companies chasing a low paying left seat job, purposely ignored a very public union declaration of a hiring ban.....and now poses for some silly vanlife story in his airline uniform, a symbol of our professional livelihoods. The man is a disgrace to the industry.

[Zaibatsu]

ALPA controls your airline and members. Not Swoop.

He didn’t cross any picket lines. He’s about as much of a scab as you are. Because you both work or worked for substandard wages. Not just globally where Canada ranks last, but within Canada as well for a significant part of your company’s existence. Any wonder AC ground schools were filled with westjetters. You just decided where to draw the line in the sand.

I said before. An Air Canada RP on a 787 or tripple who’s shacked up with an AC flight attendant is going to have a dual income of five figures. Probably after a decade or more of flying before he got his dream job. A van isn’t even a choice. Sad.

Some national with 250 TT and broken English makes more but it’s ok because ACPA says so.

Any company identified in the article? Any company logo or insignia? No. You guys did all that. The public reading this forum would do more damage to the airline pilot image than any lifestyle article would.

Get over yourselves.

[Hangry]

He’s about as much of a scab as you are.

No. He’s a scab.

The scarlet S endures.

[flying4dollars]

Geeze some true colors really coming out in this thread. How people choose to live their lives is on them and there's many ways to do it. No one option is THE best option for EVERYONE. Different strokes, etc.

Let me ask you this, if a reputable member on this forum, or even a respectable peer of yours came out and said they were giving up the house to live a simpler life in a van, would you be saying the same things about them? Don't let your hate for his career decisions be the reason you criticize the way they live.

Also I think the article is focused more on his partner than him.

[jjj]

Years ago my wife and I have decided to go back to a more simple life (after a tragic event in our family). We sold the big house and lots of stuff we weren’t really using, then we moved into a small condo living an extremely minimalist lifestyle (fed up with the overconsumption!). Great decision; we love it. We are now working on the idea of living in a van fulltime (we have no kids). It’s not a matter of being financially broke, it’s a feeling of being free from stress. I totally understand their motivation. Most of our friends and family members don’t understand our lifestyle and some think that’s because we are struggling financially which is not normal for a pilot. Our house income is 320k/year, condo paid, 7 figures in a portfolio that gives in return more than our living costs, but we are driving an old car and about to live in a van (near an airport).

Two questions for you FL320

1 --- Did you contacted a media outlet to publicise your alternative lifestyle choices, while posing for pictures in your airline uniform?

2 --- Were you a Scab at Swoop during the ALPA hiring ban?

I suspect you did neither.

Tbaylx on the other hand, did both. This story is not about living in a van. This is about an individual who has made countless decisions throughout his career that have negatively impacted our profession. He does not deserve "a break". He paid for the privilege to fly a clapped out MD83 for peanuts, jumped ship from multiple bottom feeder companies chasing a low paying left seat job, purposely ignored a very public union declaration of a hiring ban.....and now poses for some silly vanlife story in his airline uniform, a symbol of our professional livelihoods. The man is a disgrace to the industry.

Most don’t give a crap about Tbalyx living in a Van. They’re pissed at the man and busting his chops now in every which way.

Lest we forget that Tbalyx going to SWOOP was debated on this very forum. Several people pleaded with him over several days to reconsider the move.

Whilst no picket lines were crossed - the potential damage was outlined to him in advance.

Tbalyx was afforded every courtesy and sound arguments prior to going to SWOOP. After he ignored the words of caution the gloves came off.

Tbalyx pissed in a lot of peoples corn flakes and they haven’t forgotten.

Go back and do some reading on this forum. He was warned.

[vrefplus5]

Perspective. I get the angst, it’s a natural emotion. To be objective however, wasn’t Swoop created to “close the back door” against the likes of the very company “tbaylx” is the Chief Pilot of? As a group, you’ve embarrassingly proven yourselves utterly powerless and impotent to thwart any commercial whims your management deems necessary, so I understand the hostile emotions towards him....low hanging fruit, easy to pick on. Anonymity is king.

As a founding father in Class 1, wasn’t Swoop’s current Manager of Training and Standards also “warned” not to embark on this fools errand? What of the hidden putrid and festering resentment towards THIS gentleman that you so lavishly bathe on tbaylx? The very epitome of what you detest so loathingly, is in Swoops’s management team, yet not a whiff of a chirp.

I suspect Canadian aviation is watching a slow train wreck of Team Teal. Collectively, for most of us, our personal and professional situations have changed from 12 months ago when we were on a high, so the prevalence of the biting remarks and misdirection of your agony is somewhat expected.

“He was warned”. Get over yourself bud, and chill. If not for tbaylx, the plethora of mainline pilots I hear choking on their new “Swoop” callsign would be unemployed, or downgraded. Seriously, your tone on the frequency is depressing to hear, but, you all should be grateful and buy that man a pint. Your pathetic tantrums can neither change nor alter market forces and demand. It’s why you now have a Swoop to bump down into, and grudgingly dismount your high horse to remain employed......and why you’ll have a Swoop to “not make the back door quite as open” when the rebound begins in earnest. Perspective. You’re too close to the flame. Repesctfully.

[Hangry]

If not for tbaylx, the plethora of mainline pilots I hear choking on their new “Swoop” callsign would be unemployed, or downgraded.

Did I just read that? I bet you mainline WJ folk didn’t realize this. Don’t you all feel silly now.

[WestJet Puke]

Something else Tbaylx didn't consider when going to the media to boast about his van lifestyle.

Read the timelines about his relationship with his fellow van dweller & FA girlfriend that he met in February, 2016.

https://torontolife.com/city/life/weve- ... 0apartment

Brian and I met on a layover at a resort in Cancun in February 2016. We were working with different crews at the same airline and happened to be staying at the same resort. A month later we flew on a work route through Cuba, Edmonton and Costa Rica together, and we really got to know one another.

We kept in touch after that, but I didn’t think it would lead to anything because I lived in Toronto and Brian lived in Edmonton. Then in 2017, Brian moved to Toronto and we started seeing each other more often

Now read this article from the TSB website, which is a blog post by Tbaylx on January 30th, 2017. At the time he notes he was married with a wife and three kids, but was settling into an office-type job to be there for them.

https://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/medias-media/ ... 170130.htm

Interpolate the two together. Draw your own conclusions.

Someone please forward both these articles to his ex-wife's divorce attorney to have some fun with.

[Spaceshuttle]

I think I am agreeing, ANYONE past present or future that works at SWOOP would have to be considered a scab. Doesn’t matter where you worked before you are going against mainline even if you come from mainline. Sorry but thats the only conclusion they should all be on your blacklist.

[Spaceshuttle]

Since ALPA has a blacklist on these guys and SWOOP they will never let SWOOP or those guys join ALPA, they will never be represented by a Airline Union and on their own...ALPA takes care of it’s members !!

[Spaceshuttle]

[DHC-1 Jockey]

Something else Tbaylx didn't consider when going to the media to boast about his van lifestyle.

Read the timelines about his relationship with his fellow van dweller & FA girlfriend that he met in February, 2016.

https://torontolife.com/city/life/weve- ... 0apartment

Brian and I met on a layover at a resort in Cancun in February 2016. We were working with different crews at the same airline and happened to be staying at the same resort. A month later we flew on a work route through Cuba, Edmonton and Costa Rica together, and we really got to know one another.

We kept in touch after that, but I didn’t think it would lead to anything because I lived in Toronto and Brian lived in Edmonton. Then in 2017, Brian moved to Toronto and we started seeing each other more often

Now read this article from the TSB website, which is a blog post by Tbaylx on January 30th, 2017. At the time he notes he was married with a wife and three kids.

https://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/medias-media/ ... 170130.htm

Interpolate the two together. Draw your own conclusions.

Someone please forward both these articles to his ex-wife's divorce attorney to have some fun with.

All it says is that he got married to his wife in 2010. He met Hayley in 2016 (who is a very nice person in her own regard, as I've worked with her several times).

Although the article you quote was written in 2017, note at the bottom that it says that "the father of three," no the "MARRIED father of three."

Is it not possible that he met his wife in 2010, had 3 kids, got divorced, THEN met Hayley in 2016 and wrote the TSB article in 2017? You could be incorrectly assuming that he was still married when he wrote the article.

I'm not here to debate the Swoop/Mainline issue, just poking holes in your theory about "drawing your own conclusions"

[JTrain]

Most don’t give a crap about Tbalyx living in a Van. They’re pissed at the man and busting his chops now in every which way.

Lest we forget that Tbalyx going to SWOOP was debated on this very forum. Several people pleaded with him over several days to reconsider the move.

Whilst no picket lines were crossed - the potential damage was outlined to him in advance.

Tbalyx was afforded every courtesy and sound arguments prior to going to SWOOP. After he ignored the words of caution the gloves came off.

Tbalyx pissed in a lot of peoples corn flakes and they haven’t forgotten.

Go back and do some reading on this forum. He was warned.

Excellent excellent points jjj.

Tbaylx can live however he wants to live. Just please have a little respect for the profession. There was no need for him to go to Swoop, or be so obnoxious about it.

[Spaceshuttle]