Pfizer Covid Vaccine shows 90% effectiveness.

[montado]

Okay I'm convinced... If everyone wears a mask for 10 weeks, covid could be eradicated/s

I just had a family member pass away with covid, (second cousin) he had COPD, heavy smoker, drank lots. His general health was bad and at the beginning of this pandemic he called me worried about things. He wore a mask diligently, even while outside. He was one of the ones who followed the guidelines as well as possible and avoided going out when not required.

I know that whether is was covid or influenza or pneumonia, whatever he got was going to hit hard and likely take him to the edge. According to the CDC wearing a mask is the best! Maybe even better than a vaccine. What a joke!

[mixturerich]

Okay I'm convinced... If everyone wears a mask for 10 weeks, covid could be eradicated/s

I just had a family member pass away with covid, (second cousin) he had COPD, heavy smoker, drank lots. His general health was bad and at the beginning of this pandemic he called me worried about things. He wore a mask diligently, even while outside. He was one of the ones who followed the guidelines as well as possible and avoided going out when not required.

I know that whether is was covid or influenza or pneumonia, whatever he got was going to hit hard and likely take him to the edge. According to the CDC wearing a mask is the best! Maybe even better than a vaccine. What a joke!

It’s really not so black and white all the time. I’m sorry for your loss. However, not everyone shares the same “they had it coming to them” attitude. Shame you can’t properly empathize with others whatsoever. It’s just your way or the highway. Masks are perfect or they’re useless. You can’t just be team player through this like the rest of us, can you? Instead you’re choosing to
a scoffing, exaggerative, sarcastic jerk.

We’re all so sick and tired of this pandemic, but what we’re even more sick and tired of, are mask naysayers like you who insult humanity for being frightened and wanting to follow basic directions. Have some respect. You’re so out of touch that you can’t even understand that humans have innate fears and flaws. You’re one of those “more informed” types that thinks they’re better than everyone else. Get over yourself, seriously.

[confusedalot]

Maybe a few things to point out in order to see context.....

Nobody likes fatality rates but as that guy Benjamin Franklin said, the only sure things in life are death and taxes. I can't argue with that.

The leading cause of death is cancer, second is heart disease, third is this strain of covid. In Canada alone, about 80000 people die of cancer each year. A little less die of heart disease, not by much. Canada has about 10000 covid deaths up to now, will probably be about 15000 on a yearly adjusted basis. If nobody took precautions, maybe the toll would have been, what, 40000, 50000? So precautions help, but won't fix the problem.

The Swedish approach produced a spike in fatalities early on, but now their fatality rate is on the decline, or stable, whereas rates are spiking all over the world. (6 died on november 19th).

Fire away, I am only pointing things out. For my part, I am dismayed that media and leadership are not putting things into perspective.

[montado]

Maybe a few things to point out in order to see context.....

Nobody likes fatality rates but as that guy Benjamin Franklin said, the only sure things in life are death and taxes. I can't argue with that.

The leading cause of death is cancer, second is heart disease, third is this strain of covid. In Canada alone, about 80000 people die of cancer each year. A little less die of heart disease, not by much. Canada has about 10000 covid deaths up to now, will probably be about 15000 on a yearly adjusted basis. If nobody took precautions, maybe the toll would have been, what, 40000, 50000? So precautions help, but won't fix the problem.

The Swedish approach produced a spike in fatalities early on, but now their fatality rate is on the decline, or stable, whereas rates are spiking all over the world. (6 died on november 19th).

Fire away, I am only pointing things out. For my part, I am dismayed that media and leadership are not putting things into perspective.

One might argue "Cancer is not contagious"

But we do know two main factors in cancer is genetics and diet. Why doesn't the government take all the shitty breakfast cereals off the shelf and control the population. If we significantly controlled everyone's diet and reduced sugar we could delay deaths for many many years. Seems like your 50s is that age where maybe genetics or your life choices may make you a statistic where cancer or heart disease slide in. If we like government restrictions to protect our health from covid why is it not reasonable for the government to get more involved with what you eat? Why can't we tell women who carry the BRCA1 and BRCA2 gene they can't reproduce as this is likely to pass on to their children and statically put them at significant risk of developing cancer.

We could definitely free up thousands of hospital beds if we take away more freedoms, such as what you can eat, and who allowed to reproduce.

I think the moral and ethical issues to even suggest what I'm saying is ridiculous. But these are the arguments I get in with people. I have had people tell me they believe people who don't wear a mask or refuse a vaccine should have their healthcare revoked. What a belief! I tell them I think obese people and smokers should have their healthcare revoked as a ridiculous counter argument. The science behind genes diet obesity and cancer is more definitive than mask wearing for covid. We could more easily measure how many deaths we could delay if we were restricted to a government diet.

[JohnnyHotRocks]

Government diet = long bread lines
Just ask anyone who lived behind the iron curtain

[Old fella]

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[JohnnyHotRocks]

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[mixturerich]

Just guessing here but I think he misinterpreted your statement about a government diet as an “information diet” when you actually meant it about food.

[montado]

“The fact that the doctors highlighted that if all goes according to plan, we should be able to have a majority of Canadians vaccinated by next September, puts us in very good stead,” Trudeau said, speaking from the front steps of Rideau Cottage. One of Canada’s top doctors said shortly afterwards that a September timeline is “optimistic” – though he added that he shares that optimism with the prime minister.

Looks like Trudeau dropped the ball on this one. He had one job, but spent his time with weekly announcements about doom.

One thing I see over and over again is being Canadian is not about receiving the best healthcare, it’s always been more about receiving equal healthcare. Canadians don’t care if a MRI list is 4 month wait, they just don’t want to see one person book an MRI at a private clinic and receive care out of line.

Secondly in Canadian ways, my guess is Trudeau paid a hefty price for these doses. It would not be Canadian if we didn’t pay more for an inferior timeline. Just like we pay more for cellphones, flights and just about everything else. What will be the cost to Canadians being on the 6 month back burner waiting for this vaccine? I think 2021 is looking pretty bleak for Canadian airlines and small businesses. By the sounds of things Canadians may not even be at vaccination levels enough to protect us for the 2021 2022 flu season unless the most optimistic timeline prevail.

[2R]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/united-beg ... 1606512293

Vaccines have been positioned from Belgium , and they will begin as soon as approval begins , very soon .

[RedAndWhiteBaron]

That article sits behind an evil paywall.

Try this link from Fidelity Investments instead

[montado]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/united-beg ... 1606512293

Vaccines have been positioned from Belgium , and they will begin as soon as approval begins , very soon .

In Canada?

[2R]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/united-beg ... 1606512293

Vaccines have been positioned from Belgium , and they will begin as soon as approval begins , very soon .

In Canada?

Soon , it is the beginning of the end for this global pandemic . They will be shipping it here soon all the way from Belgium . The country that gave the world Stella Artois . A world class brew that is as good as Warsteiner and Steam Whistle
Help is coming .

['97 Tercel]

I'm still wearing my mask forever, it makes me feel safe. It's like a warm unicorn blanket filled with bacteria and pocket lint.

[valleyboy]

The reality is John Q Public in Canada will not see the vaccine much before August/ September 2021- the gov is blowing smoke up peoples' ass. Nothing changes.

[Hugh Jasshole]

So once we get a shot. do we no longer have to wear the stupid fu@#ing mask?? Do we get a tattoo on forehead to show we have the shot? I'm considering going to Hawaii in January and seeing if I can pay for a shot.

[piperdriver]

Would it even be necessary for people in their 20’s 30’s or even 40’s that don’t smoke, not overweight, have no underlying health issues, etc. to take the vaccine.

[Hugh Jasshole]

My guess is that anyone who can pass an aviation medical, probably will not have a severe outcome if they catch this? I finally know some folks that have this. Both are late 50's. One got an extremely bad cough and shortness of breath, she is getting better on her own. The other friend is reporting head cold like symptoms.

[valleyboy]

Would it even be necessary for people in their 20’s 30’s or even 40’s that don’t smoke, not overweight, have no underlying health issues, etc. to take the vaccine.

There is where the problem lies. This attitude is what is causing the present surges. It's about people and personal contact and that there are some many "typhoid Marys" wandering around and unknowingly spreading the virus. You might not get sick or feel sick but you are still spreading it and it will eventually find someone who becomes very ill. That could be several donors down stream from your initial infection. I have some inside access to information from public health authorities and the common feeling(as I stated above) we are many months away from the general public receiving the vaccine. They haven't even figured out who will get it first and the number of treatments allocated to Canada is a drop in the barrel to what is actually needed. It will long into next year before the vaccine is available to all.

You can shoot the messenger all you want but only time will tell.

[montado]

Would it even be necessary for people in their 20’s 30’s or even 40’s that don’t smoke, not overweight, have no underlying health issues, etc. to take the vaccine.

There is where the problem lies. This attitude is what is causing the present surges. It's about people and personal contact and that there are some many "typhoid Marys" wandering around and unknowingly spreading the virus. You might not get sick or feel sick but you are still spreading it and it will eventually find someone who becomes very ill. That could be several donors down stream from your initial infection. I have some inside access to information from public health authorities and the common feeling(as I stated above) we are many months away from the general public receiving the vaccine. They haven't even figured out who will get it first and the number of treatments allocated to Canada is a drop in the barrel to what is actually needed. It will long into next year before the vaccine is available to all.

You can shoot the messenger all you want but only time will tell.

I blame the leadership for the present surges. The government is completely happy with how it appears covid can be drafted into some social division like racism. Politicians can sit on their hands, they can lie, and make up every excuse in the book and people literally run around saying "the 20 somethings are the problem" or "people who don't wear masks are grandma killers" or "its the boomers fault" or "its the airlines fault" or "its peel, and all those weddings with 500 people"

I don't know how everyone draws these conclusions. I think we don't even have real goal posts and a way to measure success. I'm tired of blaming each other, and I think if you want peoples behavior to change you do that through leadership. In many ways our leadership has been tremendously successful. Government seems to have balanced freedoms with enough authority to keep things fairly balanced. Even though most of us disagree on lots of policy things have been fairly reasonable and on track with a balanced approach. So I'm not so concerned about pointing my finger at these different demographics like they are a problem, because in the big picture I don't se it that way.

[valleyboy]

It's not about a particular group unless you divide it into just 2. The group that feels it's a government conspiracy and choose to ignore all the common guidelines and the group that does follow all suggested precautions and is ruled by common sense and concern for more than just themselves.

Blame the government but they are blamed for all problems. The problem is politicians always think of votes first and very rarely deal out sufficient policy to actually deal with a particular problem and they usually end up tiptoeing around the fringes and losing control.

Why can't people acept the information from the professionals and ignore the political bullshit, or at least don't mix up politics and the true facts.

[montado]

Because doctors aren’t economists. The idea is the politicians take in all information from all experts and make balanced decisions that best fit the desired outcomes for all people. So political bullshit is what you get when you have 100 different experts in all different fields spilling the beans on their current issues. Then you try to do what’s best. And of course the message comes out and doesn’t seem clear, or fair or logical, but it’s because you are trying to juggle all issues. So what expert do you think we should follow?

[Rockie]

I blame the leadership for the present surges. The government is completely happy with how it appears covid can be drafted into some social division like racism.

Yes, the government thrives on social discord and this pandemic has been a real lottery win for them in so many ways. The surge certainly can’t be caused by morons who refuse to wear masks or modify their behaviour in any way.

[CpnCrunch]

I blame the leadership for the present surges. The government is completely happy with how it appears covid can be drafted into some social division like racism.

Yes, the government thrives on social discord and this pandemic has been a real lottery win for them in so many ways. The surge certainly can’t be caused by morons who refuse to wear masks or modify their behaviour in any way.

Nobody has answered my question as to why it's so difficult to just wear a feckin mask, and instead people need to continually bitch on avcanada (and everywhere else), and hassle the staff who have to deal with this crap on a daily basis.

[Rockie]

Nobody has answered my question as to why it's so difficult to just wear a feckin mask

There is no answer that doesn't make the person look stupid and/or an a**hole.