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Garneau's fireside chat and PR campaign.

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Marc Garneau has been spending time, and taxpayer (Yes, yours and mine.) money on a PR campaign in the last few weeks, as he clearly knows his reputation is taking a bath.

His ridiculous fireside chat about Santa, incredulously, has an aviation theme. Utterly tone deaf, and it honestly seems vindictive, a shot straight at all of us who are pressuring him. His nerve and gall are blatant.

You can't make this up, he needs to go.

Here is the FB link. Make a comment telling him what you think. And the #savecanadianavaiation hastag is good too.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?stor ... 128206560

Here's the YouTube link. Please click and hit the dislike button! Its already far, far outweighing the likes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR ... e=youtu.be

He has been ineffective and well sub-par since his appointment, didn't think he could get worse after the duty regulations farce.

We need to make it known that this is the wrong guy for the job. He HAS to go. Our livelyhoods, and the industry in general for decades to come absolutely depends on it.
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*livelihoods*
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RedAndWhiteBaron wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:16 pm *livelihoods*
Thanks. While pointing that out did you follow the links and take any action?

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I saw on the aviation Instagrams that they're asking everyone to dislike and comment. The youtube video is already over 1000 dislikes and comments disabled of course. Pretty ridiculous with all this going on
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There is a certain level of arrogance to post something like this as a minister of the worst hit sector of the country with hundreds of thousands of workers affected in this crisis. Some are having a very rough Christmas.

Mr. Garneau was my one high hope of this entire government when he was appointed. Very disappointed, as a pilot and a taxpayer.
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I'm not entirely sure what the surprise or problem is.

A politician that makes a PR movie about christmas to inform kids that Santa is still allowed to fly? Canada is not the only country doing that. Interpreting this as a stab at pilots asking to lift restrictions is quite a stretch...
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If it isn't intentional it's still utterly tone deaf beyond disbelief. I don't think anyone would advise him that this kind of theme is a good idea right now. Which, still displays incompetence.


sanjet wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:34 am There is a certain level of arrogance to post something like this as a minister of the worst hit sector of the country with hundreds of thousands of workers affected in this crisis. Some are having a very rough Christmas.

Mr. Garneau was my one high hope of this entire government when he was appointed. Very disappointed, as a pilot and a taxpayer.
You've got that right. My opinion has taken the same trajectory from high hopes.
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Pilots are a very small and not very important constituency amongst Mr. G's responsibililties. Perhaps he's deliberately sending us a reminder of that.
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Can you say tone deaf? Ouch. If Garneau's going to be a do-nothing figurehead, the least he could do is refrain from posting irrelevant nonsense on Twitter or YouTube while the Canadian aviation industry goes down in flames with the government standing idly by. The one thing they've actually managed to actually accomplish in the last five years - the introduction of the new duty regulations - is an absolute disaster.
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Cavalier44 wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:25 pm Can you say tone deaf? Ouch. If Garneau's going to be a do-nothing figurehead, the least he could do is refrain from posting irrelevant nonsense on Twitter or YouTube while the Canadian airlineindustry goes down in flames with the government standing idly by. The one thing they've actually managed to actually accomplish in the last five years - the introduction of the new duty regulations - is an absolute disaster.
Fixed it for you. Other aviation industry facets are doing fine and even thriving.
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Was the rocketman promoting this on the Liberal xmas home shopping channel ?
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sanjet wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:34 am Mr. Garneau was my one high hope of this entire government when he was appointed. Very disappointed, as a pilot and a taxpayer.
That's your first problem, he had no chance of getting anything done to begin with.
Cavalier44 wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:25 pm while the Canadian aviation industry goes down in flames with the government standing idly by.
Just hold tight, things will get better. The government has been doing a pretty good job at helping the individuals in need out. At the moment, there's nowhere to go and no need for mass travel.
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Zaibatsu wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:58 pm
Cavalier44 wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:25 pm Can you say tone deaf? Ouch. If Garneau's going to be a do-nothing figurehead, the least he could do is refrain from posting irrelevant nonsense on Twitter or YouTube while the Canadian airlineindustry goes down in flames with the government standing idly by. The one thing they've actually managed to actually accomplish in the last five years - the introduction of the new duty regulations - is an absolute disaster.
Fixed it for you. Other aviation industry facets are doing fine and even thriving.
I'll ignore the pedantry and focus on the crux of your statement. I'm curious to know which facets of the industry are thriving? Air cargo? The northern pop n' chips operators that were mostly subsidized in some fashion prior to COVID and continue to be? Both represent a very small cross-section of the aviation industry and bear little statistical significance when you compare them to the airline industry which has borne the brunt of the layoffs and economic fallout.
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Cavalier44 wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:25 pm Can you say tone deaf? Ouch. If Garneau's going to be a do-nothing figurehead, the least he could do is refrain from posting irrelevant nonsense on Twitter or YouTube while the Canadian aviation industry goes down in flames with the government standing idly by. The one thing they've actually managed to actually accomplish in the last five years - the introduction of the new duty regulations - is an absolute disaster.
Garneau's post was directed at the other children.
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DanWEC wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:38 pm
RedAndWhiteBaron wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:16 pm *livelihoods*
Thanks. While pointing that out did you follow the links and take any action?

Cheers.
Followed the links but did not take any action, because I fully agree with digits:
digits_ wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:59 am I'm not entirely sure what the surprise or problem is.

A politician that makes a PR movie about christmas to inform kids that Santa is still allowed to fly? Canada is not the only country doing that. Interpreting this as a stab at pilots asking to lift restrictions is quite a stretch...
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I highly doubt that there are any "kids" checking out the Transport Canada channel on Youtube worried about the status of Santa's flight ops. This is nothing but posturing for voter support (awww that's cute; I'll vote for that nice man in the sweater by the fireplace- he must love kids too!).
While it definitely is not a "stab at pilots or airline execs", it certainly indicates that the Minister of Transport is obviously not working hard at resolving the major issues at hand. I sure as hell don't have the time in my workday to make PR videos. And he shouldn't either.

He's nothing but a puppet for JT, but still he's been a real disappointment as a Transport Minister.
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Oh for sure, this is awful. It reminds me of Stephen Harper's Netflix ad (although that one was worse).

I'm becoming less and less of a fan of Garneau, but I see nothing wrong with the video in and of itself.
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When you're a working pilot, and member of multiple advocacy groups, striving countless times, fruitlessly, for some scrap of dialogue from the guy who strongly influences your career and working conditions, you'll get it.
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You were hoping because he’s a pilot he’d give you his cellphone?
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That's it. Nailed it man. :roll:
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DanWEC wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:07 pm Trying being a working pilot, and member of multiple advocacy groups, striving countless times, fruitlessly, for some scrap of dialogue from the guy who strongly influences your career and working conditions, and you'll get it.
I will admit that I don't get it. I don't mean to disparage any offense anyone may have taken from Garneau's "message".
photofly wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:12 pm You were hoping because he’s a pilot he’d give you his cellphone?
I have my Premier's cellphone #. It's not unheard of.
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RedAndWhiteBaron wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:23 pm I will admit that I don't get it. I don't mean to disparage any offense anyone may have taken from Garneau's "message".

No offense taken, and my post was terse, but simply factual. Nothing intended either.

He's the guy almost directly responsible for whether we're working or sitting on EI, wondering how to pay our mortgages. If you had to labour directly under this administration's decisions affecting airlines you'd have a much stronger opinion of him.
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DanWEC wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:43 pm He's the guy almost directly responsible for whether we're working or sitting on EI, wondering how to pay our mortgages. If you had to labour directly under this administration's decisions affecting airlines you'd have a much stronger opinion of him.
Huh? Did Garneau close the borders and impose quarantaine restrictions?

He might be responsible for financial airline aid, but even if that's approved, it won't magically bring pax back.
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And haven't they had quick covid tests at YVR and YYC for a while now, negating the need for 14-day quarantine?
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photofly wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:12 pm You were hoping because he’s a pilot he’d give you his cellphone?
Garneau is not a pilot. He was a Naval Combat System Engineer; he managed the people who fixed the guns and the RADARs. He went into space as a payload specialist; he stayed in the back of the shuttle for T/O and Landing.
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