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[FL320]

Come TS get your facts straight. You know the payscales at AC are better using guaranteed minimums..At least recognize that...

No doubt your payscale is way better; just want to point out that if you count the drafts etc. we too have pilots making huge numbers. Even as we speak we have some pilots on full payscale making overtime while most are earning 1500$/month (but that’s another story)

[Cappo1]

Come TS get your facts straight. You know the payscales at AC are better using guaranteed minimums..At least recognize that...

Joey don't pay attention to FL320. He is not a pilot . He does work for TS but the closest he gets to flight controls is when he comes in the cockpit to to serve beverages or when he is playing on Flight SimulatorX.

[Cappo1]

Come TS get your facts straight. You know the payscales at AC are better using guaranteed minimums..At least recognize that...

No doubt your payscale is way better; just want to point out that if you count the drafts etc. we too have pilots making huge numbers. Even as we speak we have some pilots on full payscale making overtime while most are earning 1500$/month (but that’s another story)

No pilot is making overtime at TS, what the hell are you talking about ? AC will be getting a nice Xmas gift from Santa. Deck the hulls with AC livery and give rouge pilots their jobs back. fa la la la la , BOTL.

[FL320]

Come TS get your facts straight. You know the payscales at AC are better using guaranteed minimums..At least recognize that...

No doubt your payscale is way better; just want to point out that if you count the drafts etc. we too have pilots making huge numbers. Even as we speak we have some pilots on full payscale making overtime while most are earning 1500$/month (but that’s another story)

No pilot is making overtime at TS, what the hell are you talking about ? AC will be getting a nice Xmas gift from Santa. Deck the hulls with AC livery and give rouge pilots their jobs back. fa la la la la , BOTL.

On a side note I want to thank you; because you really make me laugh! (I am not joking)

[Latitude]

Highest paid AC line captain made 500k gross in 2018.

While highest paid at TS made ~400K so yea, this means nothing.

[DanWEC]

And you guys are back!

This site is just bananas. The "AC Asshole" is massively overrepresented here by just a select few utter morons, with multiple user names, which, is actually a psychological disorder. (Big Mystery there Cappo).
You don't speak for the thousands, but you must realize your publicly accessible words reflect on everybody.

You guys need to seriously check yourselves. This site is public domain, you make everyone look bad.

Thankfully, I don't know a single person at AC who would act like you 5 online losers in the real world.... So whoever is reading this, please don't judge us pilots based on a few outliers. These guys are messed up in the head.

On a side note, if comparing salary, AC is a bit higher, but it's a bit more fair to compare apples to apples, and not min guarantee to T4! Also, payouts, etc. I know for a fact your 500k guy didn't earn that for his annual salary, not even close.

[rudder]

Come TS get your facts straight. You know the payscales at AC are better using guaranteed minimums..At least recognize that...

Referencing posters quoting overtime pay stubs - I don't think that I have ever seen an arbitrator count overtime in determining pay parity. There are some AC NB CA with T4 higher than a RSV 777 CA. That does not mean that the value of the NB CA position is greater than the value of the 777 CA position.

The formula will either be the average T4 in a position (unlikely) or simply taking the terms of the respective CBA and extrapolate the economic value of a position. AC will therefore get credit for overrides. And no - per diems don’t count towards earnings (sorry TS).

As much as everybody would like to reinvent the wheel, or take an opportunistic snapshot, these matters have all been dealt with before by the stable of arbitrators that will hear the matter. The new twist is COVID and the near term impact on operations and staffing on the respective carriers.

[Cappo1]

If you were a nice guy I might be sympathetic to your jeuevenile tantrums. When you find time away from your video games take a look at the situation in the EU. They have every right to reject the the proposal as it stands now. Europe is crumbling and no one wants to venture there. Canadian industries are being hit harder and households cannot afford the visit the folks in the old country. If AC leaves TS as a leisure airline it might work. You will be lucky to be back on board by 2023. No guarantees for you pal. Your airline is limping along. We can chop TS up anytime we want. We have the hulls and we really don't need to use the employees.

Ha! So not only do you own Air Canada and make their corporate decisions, you also do so with a malevolent hand? We all bow to you. Hilarious.

You can't handle the truth !

[Cappo1]

And you guys are back!

This site is just bananas. The "AC Asshole" is massively overrepresented here by just a select few utter morons, with multiple user names, which, is actually a psychological disorder. (Big Mystery there Cappo).
You don't speak for the thousands, but you must realize your publicly accessible words reflect on everybody.

You guys need to seriously check yourselves. This site is public domain, you make everyone look bad.

Thankfully, I don't know a single person at AC who would act like you 5 online losers in the real world.... So whoever is reading this, please don't judge us pilots based on a few outliers. These guys are messed up in the head.

On a side note, if comparing salary, AC is a bit higher, but it's a bit more fair to compare apples to apples, and not min guarantee to T4! Also, payouts, etc. I know for a fact your 500k guy didn't earn that for his annual salary, not even close.

You don't know a single person at AC who woukd act like 5 online losers? Either do I.

All I know is you are determined to paint a narrative to suit your opinion.

And how many pilots at AC are rolling out a red carpet during a pandemic to welcome anyone who is going to compromise what we have worked for ? Sorry that offends you but judging by the amount of e mails I get , my opinion is a lot more popular than your attempt to squelch it. Let me guess, you don't like Tony Ledsham ?

[FL320]

If you were a nice guy I might be sympathetic to your jeuevenile tantrums. When you find time away from your video games take a look at the situation in the EU. They have every right to reject the the proposal as it stands now. Europe is crumbling and no one wants to venture there. Canadian industries are being hit harder and households cannot afford the visit the folks in the old country. If AC leaves TS as a leisure airline it might work. You will be lucky to be back on board by 2023. No guarantees for you pal. Your airline is limping along. We can chop TS up anytime we want. We have the hulls and we really don't need to use the employees.

Ha! So not only do you own Air Canada and make their corporate decisions, you also do so with a malevolent hand? We all bow to you. Hilarious.

You can't handle the truth !

Cappo1, the truth is that obviously some people have more information than you do on the subject. Believe me you will fall from your pedestal in the upcoming months...I can’t wait. Red carpet or not; it won’t change anything it’s way above your opinions.

[Johnny767]

What is said here means nothing but the facts are the pay at AC is substantially higher that Transat and will be an issue in controlling windfall gains.

Upside for Transat is they are the flag carrier for the Peoples Republic of Quebec and aren't going anywhere, much like that bottomless pit of government money - Bombardier - the feds will make sure you are taken care of.

Sadly no one cared less about Canada 3000, then again they were not based in Quebec.

[ayseven]

8.5 million people live in Quebec. What is your point?

[gtappl]

8.5 million people live in Quebec. What is your point?

When the leaderships motto is "Canada belongs to Quebec" things make a lot more sense

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudea ... -1.1241750

[altiplano]

8.5 million people live in Quebec. What is your point?

When the leaderships motto is "Canada belongs to Quebec" things make a lot more sense

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudea ... -1.1241750

Good find... the arrogance is unbelievable.

"Canada isn't doing well right now because it's Albertans who control our community and socio-democratic agenda. It doesn't work," Trudeau told interviewer Patrick Lagacé.

When asked whether he thought Canada was "better served when there are more Quebecers in charge than Albertans," Trudeau replied, "I'm a Liberal, so of course I think so, yes. Certainly when we look at the great prime ministers of the 20th century, those that really stood the test of time, they were MPs from Quebec. There was Trudeau, there was Mulroney, there was Chrétien, there was Paul Martin. We have a role. This country, Canada, it belongs to us."

Never mind:
MacDonald... Kingston... Confederation and stuff
Mackenzie King... Kitchener... WW2 and stuff
Diefenbaker... Guelph... Bill of Rights and stuff
Pearson... York... Nobel Peace Prize and stuff ike Universal Health Care & CPP



Swarthy greaseball.

If the best are from Quebec, certainly the worst is also!

Personal character... groping women, blackface, family payoffs, 3 conflict of interest episodes, the constant hypocrisy...

Professionally... a debt in 9 months larger than all the rest we've accumulated since Confederation, a declining GDP, kowtowing to China, the lack of response to citizens kidnapped, the lack of response to citizens shot out of the sky, a failed Security Council bid, US relations in tatters, 5 eyes membership in question...



This is your leader Canada.

[Old fella]

From a personal prospective and opinion I give JT and his Administration decent marks in handling the current COVID-19 shit show within their respective jurisdictions, acknowledging most if not all health responsibilities is a Provincial one. Just my view of course as other opinions matter nothing to me.

[altiplano]

What specifically have they done well. Specifically.

[Old fella]

Deleted.

[Loon-A-Tic]

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So will the Air Canada regional carriers be changing their logo's

[Bunk hog]

he's a troll. Top pay scale at AC (on the 777) isn't even 300K, yet TS now sits at 237K. Double or triple yeah sure

AC pay scale isn't annual, but I don't think there are any WB CAs that did under $300K last year and NB guys all do 200+ easily, and most over your 237 number. Most WB FOs are in the 200+ range too. You have the guys that really work it... draft hogs etc. and I'm sure there is some guy somewhere in the company that hit or pushed $500K, but that's not the norm.

Good luck.

....it’s the same at Transat...237k is the mini guaranteed per annum....but we have guys making 400k. Some of us made good money as your colleagues at Rouge, extra drafts but still having 18 days off per month...unfortunately it won’t happen again in the near future

Guess that’s why so many pilots leave AC for TS.

[ayseven]

At the risk of being pedantic, if you don't like the current crop of politicians, you are able to vote for those who you think will do a better job at election time. I don't care what you think, any more than you care what I think.

[ayseven]

To Alti,

Any company that can afford to buy another competitor like AC is doing with AT, does not need any government subsidies. Do you really think the taxpayer like me will support that? You guys care about yourselves, and life is hard right now, fair enough, but don't expect the rest of us to go along with your ideas.

[HavaJava]

At the risk of being pedantic, if you don't like the current crop of politicians, you are able to vote for those who you think will do a better job at election time. I don't care what you think, any more than you care what I think.

Yup, this pandemic has proven to me that we are most definitely not “all in this together”. We screwed this up so bad and the gullible and naïve general populace craved the zombie apocalypse narrative.

Going forward, I have no loyalties to my country or the general sheeple. F@#$ ‘em...

[altiplano]

To Alti,

Any company that can afford to buy another competitor like AC is doing with AT, does not need any government subsidies. Do you really think the taxpayer like me will support that? You guys care about yourselves, and life is hard right now, fair enough, but don't expect the rest of us to go along with your ideas.

I'm not sure which comment you're addressing? And what do you think are my ideas?

Airline industry support?

AC isn't looking for a direct handout. Taxpayer money and support through good policy aren't the same thing.

They are looking for reasonable, science based policy in access to travel. Like negative tests for travel. Fourteen day quarantines and travel to/through Canada restricted/closed for non Canadians is unreasonable. 9 months and the government hasn't put together a defendable policy. If the government isn't interested in getting real, putting in the work, and using a science and data based policy in allowing travel, if they insist on maintaining this unreasonable hardship on the airlines then they better get ready to buck up and compensate... or are we not all in this together?

But also, how much revenue generation do you think the Airline Industry and travel and tourism represent to this government? How many individual taxpayers do you think that is? A shitload on both counts.

There are also other ways to stimulate the industry. This country is among the highest in the world for tariffs, taxes, fees, aifs, hst, carbon taxed, rents, etc, etc when it comes to travel. In fact in one of its own reports the government recommended the easing of those taxes would stimulate so much industry activity and growth that it would result in more revenue for the government. No direct aid, but allow the industry to operate with less burden results in more wealth creation for labour, executives, shareholders, the government and lower ticket prices and more choice for consumers... win-win-win-win-win... Action from the government? Crickets... and this is their own report! they are happy with status quo.

AC pay for Transat?

They won't pay anything for Transat, they will just issue shares and dilute existing AC shareholders. Every Transat shareholder will take the deal at the fixed conversion offered.

Trudeau and the Liberals?

What have they specifically done well? Highest unemployment in the G7. Driving away investment in our country. Tanking key industries that bring Canadians wealth and a high standard of life. Division across the country. Bubble in the Atlantic, Alienation in the West, Failing local economies. Rising debt. Failed foreign policy. Chinese troops doing cold weather training on our soil. Family payoffs. Failed ministers. Conflict of interest X 3... you can just keep going with it...

[ayseven]

Airport testing seems like a good idea. Where is the data that any scientist has come up with, that does not recommend quarantines? Nobody I know wants to travel. We are all sorry about this, but quarantines etc are not even the deciding factor for me, my friends and family.

There is talk of Gatwick closing completely. Is that our government's fault too? Of course not. You should know, given your background in the travel industry, that what goes up, comes down, especially in this haywire business. And now it is down. We have to get over it, and get on with it.

Is there something particular, that given what we know now, we should have done differently, which would have led us down a different path? And what are your proposals for the present, going forward?

Being able to sit in a crowded airplane nowadays seems exceptional to me, given how we know this thing spreads. Sometimes things are just the way they are, and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it.

[HavaJava]

Sometimes things are just the way they are, and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it.

The real truth is that this actually applies to the spread of the virus.