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[Bacunayagua]

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[Chaxterium]

but because of the simple fact that not everyone can or wants (wanted) to flow through to the YYZ based, non-commutable, likely years for an upgrade 757 spot

It's absolutely commutable. And right now we have guys upgrading into the left seat with two years at the company. When I was hired I was told two years. That was one year ago. COVID has certainly changed things so I'm assuming it will be longer, but I'm not expecting it to be significantly longer than that.

[iflyforpie]

Ok. But what does the commuting look like? Probably not possible on company aircraft unless you want to eat further into your GDO so you have to go inter line or jump seat which gets old quick.

YYZ is a junior base for most of the majors because nobody wants to be there. Unless you’re from the GTA, most bid other bases as soon as they have enough seniority to do so. That’s what killed any idea of working for WJ for me.. even with guaranteed standby travel I’d be stuck in YYZ for a long time. With Morningstar, I’d be stuck there forever.

Maybe that’s why there’s movement on the 757 as well? No chances of getting out of dodge unless you jump ship?

And I still doubt there’s enough movement to absorb every 208 pilot who moves through the organization unless they want to wait years.

[genetic jack hammer]

I could be wrong, but I don't recall seeing Morningstar on AC's jumpseat agreement. If you get YYZ and commute from YUL, could one travel on company aircraft?

[fish4life]

I heard that fed ex won’t authorize them to put non company people on the plane making it impossible to sign jump seat agreements

[Chaxterium]

Correct. We have no jumpseat agreements with anyone. All commuting is done on company aircraft.

[viccoastdog]

I can certainly see how on one hand they don't want to invest their time in someone who will leave as soon as they are recalled back to AC or WS, but do they not realize that the same thing will happen to 704/705 lite captains who will go back to wherever they were making good $$$ prior?

While a job in this climate sure is nice, 55K in YVR only goes so far...

It actually works out closer to $70K to start.

[iflyforpie]

Correct. We have no jumpseat agreements with anyone. All commuting is done on company aircraft.

So I’m assuming that you’ll by flying out on the go home leg you’ll be flying 24 hours later.. and probably holding for most of the day before you can get the outbound leg back home? Is it a milk run? Can you hitch a ride on 208s or ATRs to live in a small city rather than YVR, YYC, etc?

[igorcanuck]

Does anyone know how many pilots on the last ATR GS?

[BE20 Driver]

I am told that they are adding 2 machines to start with. At 11 pilots per machine that's 22 pilots. I have heard this is only the start for Calgary and there is expected expansion beyond the initial 2 ATR's.

[genetic jack hammer]

Correct. We have no jumpseat agreements with anyone. All commuting is done on company aircraft.

So I’m assuming that you’ll by flying out on the go home leg you’ll be flying 24 hours later.. and probably holding for most of the day before you can get the outbound leg back home? Is it a milk run? Can you hitch a ride on 208s or ATRs to live in a small city rather than YVR, YYC, etc?

How would a commute from YUL to YYZ look? Does MS do a YUL-YYZ-YUL run? Thanks.

[Chaxterium]

Well we only go to Mirabel. But we have an evening flight from Mirabel to Toronto (leaves around 9pm) and then an early morning flight from Toronto to Mirabel which leaves at 4:20am.

[pild04]

Morningstar is hiring FO for the B757. Good luck all!

https://maei.bamboohr.com/jobs/view.php?id=39

[GATRKGA]

For those waiting,

They’re emailing people who used to have offers and who are not at a major airline asking if they want a job on the 757.

My guess, everyone who applied just Gave them a sample size of what’s out there and that they already knew who they wanted to hire.

Makes sense when the job ad was taken down first thing Monday morning.

Good luck!

[ted_stryker]

How easy would it be to transfer bases eventually. Say yyc to ymx if you're not changing airframe?

[Air.Field]

Ad up again for ATR, if you're laid off from 705 don't bother, they threw out those apps last time

[Freeport_Flyer]

That's too bad. I'm sure there are folks that would want the stable life of a freight dog rather than the on again, off again airline job.

[Ash Ketchum]

That's too bad. I'm sure there are folks that would want the stable life of a freight dog rather than the on again, off again airline job.

I agree, if I got on with a company like Morningstar I would have no problem leaving the airline life behind for increased stability. It seems that not many employers in Canada (aviation or otherwise) are willing to take on a furloughed airline pilot.

[woop_woop]

The problem is that 99.9% of those telling you they would prefer the stable life of a freight dog, will go right back to their old seats as soon as they get recalled.

So the hiring department is faced with a situation of hiring people with a near 100% chance of leaving in the next two years. Or hire someone from the 703/04 world that may stick around for longer.

To answer the question about base movement between YYC and YMX, it just comes down to seniority and positions available. If a position becomes available in YMX, anyone can bid for it and will be awarded based on seniority. Mirabel has historically seen very little movement as the position is quite comfortable for those guy, even more so for the left seat.

[dhc#]

Whats driving this expansion, and what routes are they growing out of YYC ?

[woop_woop]

The immediate reason is the take over of the turboprop routes out of YYC from Carson. That being said, reasonable speculation would assume that there is more coming down the pipeline at some point. Since its not just taking over the runs, but a considerable up-gage in equipment, Metro to ATR.

As far as routes are concerned, a quick flight aware check will tell you everything you want about that.

[Freeport_Flyer]

The problem is that 99.9% of those telling you they would prefer the stable life of a freight dog, will go right back to their old seats as soon as they get recalled.

Why is that? If working and wage conditions are similar, why would someone leave if it's stable? Especially after freight has prospered in a drastically negative aviation market? For example, someone who was recently hired onto 705 during pilot shortage-palooza but only working a year, really isn't walking away from that much seniority; and the prospect of return to work for them may be 1-2 years away anyway! Not to mention not much hope of moving out of the right seat for the foreseeable future.

It may be worth having a second look at former 705 folks rather than just burning the pile of resumes. You may find more skilled candidates rather than "just taking" whoever applies from 703/04.

And while this may sound self serving, I am one of the lucky happily employed.

[woop_woop]

The simple answer to that is that most would rather be at the airlines and not flying cargo. The reasons for that are as varied as the pilot itself, but the reality is that most do not want to fly night cargo for the rest of their career. Are there some that would prefer the stability? Absolutely! But that wasn't my point.

Again, why would they make their selection process more difficult on themselves trying to guess who may stay behind, when they can make things real simple on themselves and go for someone who has a higher chance of staying.

I don't fully agree with that comment about 705 guys being necessarily more skilled. We have actually had a much harder time training guys coming from 705 operations than guys upgrading from the Caravan or coming from some King Air outfit.

As far as wage and working conditions go, we are currently negotiating the next contract. Wage will probably be the same or right around what CJ is getting.

[Freeport_Flyer]

I don't fully agree with that comment about 705 guys being necessarily more skilled. We have actually had a much harder time training guys coming from 705 operations than guys upgrading from the Caravan or coming from some King Air outfit.

I'm not saying 705 pilots are better than the rest. I'm just saying that by discriminating against someone because of who their last employer was may be eliminating a qualified candidate before being given the chance. And with the way the world has changed, you may find a lot of people's views on what they want out of employment have changed too.

[ayseven]

The good news is that there appear to be jobs available for young hungry people. We need good news.