Sketchy Flight.

[rookiepilot]

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Hmm, saw this one on Flightradar24, (live, right now, 830 PM EST) almost in the middle of the lake, at night, between layers, fixed gear 182.....

Assuming the app is accurate, A bit sporty for me. Hope all is well on board.

[digits_]

What's the relevance of the fixed gear?

[rookiepilot]

What's the relevance of the fixed gear?

Nothing.

[Pilotdaddy]

How can you tell it's between layers?

[rookiepilot]

How can you tell it's between layers?

GFA, if accurate

Just posting for flight traing interest

[Pilotdaddy]

SCT 30/60... cruising at 8000ft currently. They shouldn't be between layers according to the GFA, if accurate.

[rookiepilot]

SCT 30/60... cruising at 8000ft currently. They shouldn't be between layers according to the GFA, if accurate.

Over the water, says Bkn 30/60, then layers 120-200. Probably clear of that part now.

Too sporty for me, that's all, I've flown that route many times, but not at night, and look at the temps. Severe clear at night, maybe.

[Pilotdaddy]

Not the first sketchy flight in that plane, it seems like...

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/209420

[rookiepilot]

Headed out over the big lake....apparently going to T-Bay

[photofly]

On the bright side, it's very hard to hit terrain out there.
I believe the OP must know this owner/pilot, no?

[rookiepilot]

On the bright side, it's very hard to hit terrain out there.
I believe the OP must know this owner/pilot, no?

I don't.

[2112]

Just flew by there and heard him on 26.7 up near WAWA sounded cool as a cucumber. The tops were 6000 to the west of Sudbury Sct-Bkn in some spots and the moon is shining fairly bright. I wouldnt hesitate to bomb around VFR tonight, now out over the water in a piston single I'd have to be on oxygen.

[Bacunayagua]

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[rookiepilot]

Just flew by there and heard him on 26.7 up near WAWA sounded cool as a cucumber. The tops were 6000 to the west of Sudbury Sct-Bkn in some spots and the moon is shining fairly bright. I wouldnt hesitate to bomb around VFR tonight, now out over the water in a piston single I'd have to be on oxygen.

K. I saw his heading not change, wondered if maybe Carbon Mox for a minute or 2./ Glad I'm wrong.

[tsgarp]

That aircraft is owned by Julian Falconer, a very prominent Toronto Lawyer. He had it retrofitted with TKS and has gotten into more incidents/accidents with it than the one posted above. IIRC he had to change or perform extensive repairs to the tail section after striking some trees with it. Lets just say his risk tolerance could be viewed as higher than normal.

Smart move; doxing a prominent lawyer and then publicly accusing him of being a bad pilot based on evidence you can’t quite recall.

[Big Pistons Forever]

TKS or not the C 182 will not be approved for non icing. I don't know the pilot involved and am reluctant to comment on the wisdom of this particular flight, however I would suggest that all pilots should proactively assess all the risk factors. Night, Single Engine, Over Water, Potential Icing seems like a lot of risk. Personally I can't make the risk reward equation work, however the older I get the bigger the yellow stripe down my back gets.

All that been said is my comments are intended as general and not specific to this flight. I was not there and the PIC is ultimately the one who makes the decisions, not an anonymous poster on AvCanada

[lownslow]

At 8,000 feet ASL how close to shore would you want to fly a 182?

[rookiepilot]

At 8,000 feet ASL how close to shore would you want to fly a 182?

Closer than this guy was.

Probably comfortable 5-6 miles, more uncomfortable beyond that.

I've crossed Lake Michigan at 9000 -10000 multiple times, summer, with a vest on. Its 44 miles across. I calculated the middle 15 miles, I'd be in the drink.

[CpnCrunch]

At 8,000 feet ASL how close to shore would you want to fly a 182?

Closer than this guy was.

He was about 20 miles from shore, and can glide about 12 miles. Hope he had at least a life vest, but I don't rate the chances of him getting out at night. There have been quite a lot of small planes that have disappeared to the bottom of various bodies of water recently.

[pelmet]

At 8,000 feet ASL how close to shore would you want to fly a 182?

Closer than this guy was.

Probably comfortable 5-6 miles, more uncomfortable beyond that.

I've crossed Lake Michigan at 9000 -10000 multiple times, summer, with a vest on. Its 44 miles across. I calculated the middle 15 miles, I'd be in the drink.

I crossed once. Went at 13000' in a Cirrus. Figured it was less sporty as there was very little time out of gliding range.

[Flyboy757]

On 08 Nov 79 I was called out on the SAR C 130 out of YTR to search for a single engine Mooney flying this same approx route...Port Credit, Owen Sound, Manitoulin Isl, YAM then the USA to YYT. Won`t publish the guys name here but he was a senior COPA exec. Met with him a few weeks after the incident for a cold beer...he bought!
He was flying over/ near small islands between Bruce Peninsula and Manitoulin Isl at an altitude that he thought he could glide to in the event of an engine failure. Well, at the most inopportune time and place, his engine quit. Could not glide to the nearest island but ditched successfully about 2nm from it. Got his life raft out and as he reached back into the plane to get his survival gear, the plane sank!! He got in his raft and paddled over to the island. We were doing our initial "route crawl" when we spotted his SOS and him on a beach waving madly at us!! Made contact with him then had an OPP chopper pick him up.
Met him for a beer as I said. Listening to his account of his incident....truly amazing story and he was prepared for his emergency.

The guy in this thread.....long way from land in a single IMO. Is / was he prepared for an emergency....

[DadoBlade]

Remember on GFA's HEIGHTS ARE ASL UNLESS NOTED. Ground-based, hourly surface weather observations i.e. METAR's are based ABOVE GROUND LEVEL (AGL).

[nutlord]

At 8,000 feet ASL how close to shore would you want to fly a 182?

Deffs would want to stay well within gliding distance, especially at this time of year. Idk what he has for ALSE kit, but I doubt he's wearing a drysuit in that cessna.

[lownslow]

At 8,000 feet ASL how close to shore would you want to fly a 182?

Deffs would want to stay well within gliding distance, especially at this time of year.

Thanks, professor. Allow me to re-phrase: “Approximately how far is a Cessna 182 capable of gliding from a cruise altitude of 8,000 feet above sea level down to the surface at approximately 600 feet above sea level?”

[7ECA]

Go pull some POHs and take a look.

From a quick search, over five different models of the 182 looking at the glide charts in a "best case scenario" somewhere between 11-15NM from roughly 8000' AGL. Your actual mileage may vary.