Potential Airline Bailout

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US Airlines will be healthier and in a better position to capture the inevitable surge of air traffic. They will gain market share over their Canadian counterparts thanks in most part to the public’s channelized attention of refunds and subsequent government political will.

Canadians will be wondering why airfares have surged and for the east coasters why their airports look like Pompei.
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Torontomaplelaughs wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:24 pm and for the east coasters why their airports look like Pompei.
:lol: :lol: that was funny, thanks for the laugh. True though.
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Article from Flight Global today...

https://www.flightglobal.com/strategy/c ... 49.article

”The entire Canadian aviation system is going to financially crater – and soon – unless there is some approach beyond demanding that people hide in the house,” says Mike Boyd, president of airline consultancy Boyd Group International. ”Killing the economy as an unintended part of the programme is well underway, and airports and airlines in Canada are in the crosshairs.”
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Well, I thought it defied logic but maybe there’s a reason behind it..

https://greatreset.com/?fbclid=IwAR2_hL ... EOn63Cilok

( note the posters fine print “ I bet you enjoyed your lockdown staycation”)

Also note that aviation is in the crosshairs...
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Praise be to Al Gore.
May Greta and Suzuki be upon you.
Oh yeah, and Trudeau.

I wonder what tropical island the biz jets are flying into this year.
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doiwannabeapilot wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:55 am Praise be to Al Gore.
May Greta and Suzuki be upon you.
Oh yeah, and Trudeau.

I wonder what tropical island the biz jets are flying into this year.
Nassau, Turks, St Maarten and Barbados.
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What's the reasoning behind ministers or government officials being allowed to travel on government private jets for private travel? Is that part of their compensation package?
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https://pm.gc.ca/en/mandate-letters/202 ... ate-letter


Sent from Trudeau to all his ministers today. This is the link for the letter sent to Minister Alghabra who is the new Minister of Finance. Seems like they are still making refunds their first priority along with regional connectivity. Our airlines are losing market share the international carriers on international routes. What are your thoughts?
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Lots of green rhetoric ...


“Build back better” which a catchphrase from the WEF.

Not a lot of talk about how he plans to address the regional connectivity. He does not get regional-national- international link and how it’s all connected.

What’s really interesting is that he does not even nod at the fact that our industry is a government cash cow... and the wages and social benefits from our sector’s employees.

#doesnothaveaclue

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AC was leading in the International market and growing market share through their North American hubs. COVID has severely damaged their plans and TRUDUMB is pouring gas on the fire. Junior and the Liberals have always governed via the polls and not by what is good (or logical) for the country.

People love free money. Refund policy is clear. The Libs care not for industry. Why earn it when you can borrow it.

What more do you need?
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teacher wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:21 am AC was leading in the International market and growing market share through their North American hubs. COVID has severely damaged their plans and TRUDUMB is pouring gas on the fire. Junior and the Liberals have always governed via the polls and not by what is good (or logical) for the country.

People love free money. Refund policy is clear. The Libs care not for industry. Why earn it when you can borrow it.

What more do you need?
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Yup .. well aware. The general public doesn’t really care .. they’re all sitting at home collecting cheque’s, getting high and slamming bags of Cheetos.

Welcome to the new normal. Shit .. I’m out of cheetos!
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Oh come on, it's so exciting to spend all day on the couch eating cheeos!

Priceless!!!
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Watching Trudeau speak about anything is so painful. Behind the feigned disappointment, he almost seems giddy at the idea of Keystone cancellation.

But he has a goatee, and some of it is grey so he must know what he's doing..
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'97 Tercel wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:32 am Watching Trudeau speak about anything is so painful. Behind the feigned disappointment, he almost seems giddy at the idea of Keystone cancellation.

But he has a goatee, and some of it is grey so he must know what he's doing..
It's hiding the blackface he can't rub off :lol:
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My humble but correct prediction.

There will be no industry specific assistance for Aviation.

Here's the JT logic: If he kills AB oil...

1: He will never have to worry about the west having a seat at the political table and things can remain status quo with Ontario and Quebec draining the other 8 provinces to fund these 2 provinces because, that's all anyone needs to get elected.

2: No oil means no carbon emissions even though we'll have to import all our oil from other nations... it's off our books and on their books. Canada is a hero of the world and we meet our Paris agreement ahead of schedule.

Apply the same logic to airlines because they are bad in the books of environmental groups. If Canada's airlines go bankrupt, we have no airline carbon footprint on our books because, no airlines. Sure, other countries will come and take all the business but, that's a different countries carbon problem, it's off our books and on their's. Canada is a hero of the world and we meet our Paris agreement ahead of schedule.

In fact, this logic can be applied to the whole economy of Canada... if we don't have an economy, just think of how great we will look in the eye's of all those other world leaders at the Davos summit.
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Mach1 wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:23 pm My humble but correct prediction.

There will be no industry specific assistance for Aviation.

Here's the JT logic: If I kill AB oil...

1: He will never have to worry about the west having a seat at the political table and things can remain status quo with Ontario and Quebec draining the other 8 provinces to fund these 2 provinces because, that's all anyone needs to get elected.

2: No oil means no carbon emissions even though we'll have to import all our oil from other nations... it's off our books and on their books. Canada is a hero of the world and we meet our Paris agreement ahead of schedule.

Apply the same logic to airlines because they are bad in the books of environmental groups. If Canada's airlines go bankrupt, we have no airline carbon footprint on our books because, no airlines. Sure, other countries will come and take all the business but, that's a different countries carbon problem, it's off our books and on their's. Canada is a hero of the world and we meet our Paris agreement ahead of schedule.

In fact, this logic can be applied to the whole economy of Canada... if we don't have an economy, just think of how great we will look in the eye's of all those other world leaders at the Davos summit.
Make sure you wait at least a month to fly before smoking whatever made you write that. Justin is living rent free in a lot of peoples heads here
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gtappl wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:45 pm Make sure you wait at least a month to fly before smoking whatever made you write that. Justin is living rent free in a lot of peoples heads here
Just explaining JT's thought process. Okay, let's all be honest here... the man has no thoughts that don't come out of Gerald Butts mouth first... the country is actually being run by GB.

As for rent free accommodations, you are correct.
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Mach1 wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:23 pm My humble but correct prediction.

There will be no industry specific assistance for Aviation.

Here's the JT logic: If he kills AB oil...

1: He will never have to worry about the west having a seat at the political table and things can remain status quo with Ontario and Quebec draining the other 8 provinces to fund these 2 provinces because, that's all anyone needs to get elected.

2: No oil means no carbon emissions even though we'll have to import all our oil from other nations... it's off our books and on their books. Canada is a hero of the world and we meet our Paris agreement ahead of schedule.

Apply the same logic to airlines because they are bad in the books of environmental groups. If Canada's airlines go bankrupt, we have no airline carbon footprint on our books because, no airlines. Sure, other countries will come and take all the business but, that's a different countries carbon problem, it's off our books and on their's. Canada is a hero of the world and we meet our Paris agreement ahead of schedule.

In fact, this logic can be applied to the whole economy of Canada... if we don't have an economy, just think of how great we will look in the eye's of all those other world leaders at the Davos summit.

Every election the 416/905 eff's over the rest of the country and decides who's king, the Laurentian Elites wouldn't have it any other way.
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For such a small place, Alberta sure knows how to make a lot of noise, at least around here. I say that as a Westerner. The earth does not revolve around them, any more than it does the rest of us. Sooner or later, people have to get over the Beverly Hillbillies, and diversify. You know, it won't matter who does what, I for one, am going to fly off somewhere on holiday. I am certainly not going to waste my time raising my blood pressure over something I have no control over anyways. I don't care whose fault it is the world is in a mess, and that we have done everything we could to destroy all life on earth as we know it. We cannot go back in time. Now is the time to be creative.
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ayseven wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:51 pm I for one, am going to fly off somewhere on holiday.
Boy, will your arms be tired.

https://youtu.be/oShTJ90fC34
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Touché...
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you're flying somewhere ?

HOW DARE YOU !!
let Greta's voice echo in your brain during the entire flight !
YOU are DESTROYING her future! You don't CARE about the environment!

be creative, take a raft
ayseven wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:51 pm For such a small place, Alberta sure knows how to make a lot of noise, at least around here. I say that as a Westerner. The earth does not revolve around them, any more than it does the rest of us. Sooner or later, people have to get over the Beverly Hillbillies, and diversify. You know, it won't matter who does what, I for one, am going to fly off somewhere on holiday. I am certainly not going to waste my time raising my blood pressure over something I have no control over anyways. I don't care whose fault it is the world is in a mess, and that we have done everything we could to destroy all life on earth as we know it. We cannot go back in time. Now is the time to be creative.
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The airlines got bent over (again) today by JT.

But he took the time to say nice things about them so let’s hope that a meaningful sector specific package sponsored by the Feds is not too far away.
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They should stop flying cargo and see how junior likes that. Shut it down and see how the miracle vaccines and medical equipment/personnel gets around. Also completely stop all flights to YOW.
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