Mandatory PCR Test and 3 Day Hotel Quarantine

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I don't get why the PCR test is even being used. Doesn't the WHO now say it is not even accurate. Fauci even says the test is no good if over 35 cycles and most of North America uses 40 cycles on the test.

But don't take my word for it here is when Fauci said the test is BS https://alethonews.com/2020/11/03/dr-fa ... in-the-us/ .

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-202 ... rs-2020-05

https://off-guardian.org/2020/12/18/who ... positives/
“In their ruling, judges Margarida Ramos de Almeida and Ana Paramés referred to several scientific studies. Most notably this study by Jaafar et al., which found that – when running PCR tests with 35 cycles or more – the accuracy dropped to 3%, meaning up to 97% of positive results could be false positives.

The ruling goes on to conclude that, based on the science they read, any PCR test using over 25 cycles is totally unreliable. Governments and private labs have been very tight-lipped about the exact number of cycles they run when PCR testing, but it is known to sometimes be as high as 45. Even fearmonger-in-chief Anthony Fauci has publicly stated anything over 35 is totally unusable.”
If airlines and governments are going to use this as the key to travel wouldn't it make more sense to also require a gold standard on how to get accurate results. How I think governments should fix this make the labs put on the results how many cycles they used to get the result needed for travel. Why aren't these tests standardized to meet the standards of the WHO to provide accurate results? Anyone else find it criminal that some of these labs are using over 35 cycles on these PCR tests? If the plan is to quarantine everyone then why even require a useless inaccurate test.
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https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/ ... covid-camp

This used to be our company crew hotel in YYZ. Now it’s being used as an illegal detainment center in YYZ.

Here’s what your $2000 gets you food wise: :shock:
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Inverted2 wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:25 pm https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/ ... covid-camp

This used to be our company crew hotel in YYZ. Now it’s being used as an illegal detainment center in YYZ.

Here’s what your $2000 gets you food wise: :shock:
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It's all about control
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Inverted2 wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:25 pm https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/ ... covid-camp

This used to be our company crew hotel in YYZ. Now it’s being used as an illegal detainment center in YYZ.

Here’s what your $2000 gets you food wise: :shock:
If it really is illegal he should sue the government instead of just bitching about it to the Toronto Sun. Then he'll get money instead of just his picture in the paper and momentary fame for being a complainer.
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rotorspeed wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:24 pm It's all about control
I think it is more about killing free and open travel. Who in their right mind would travel to Canada and go through something like this. Next will be the forced digital vaccination record to travel. Concentrated effort to destroy the aviation industry out of fear from this inaccurate test.

Before you think of getting a”PCR test” or “vaccinated” you might want to watch this entire video.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/IJIoilKlUk1o/

My issue is still why are we using a test that is not accurate in anyway. Watch the video you might learn something.
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rjguy wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:29 am
rotorspeed wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:24 pm It's all about control
I think it is more about killing free and open travel. Who in their right mind would travel to Canada and go through something like this. Next will be the forced digital vaccination record to travel. Concentrated effort to destroy the aviation industry out of fear from this inaccurate test.

Before you think of getting a”PCR test” or “vaccinated” you might want to watch this entire video.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/IJIoilKlUk1o/

My issue is still why are we using a test that is not accurate in anyway. Watch the video you might learn something.
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Remember kids, whenever you see bitchute, it means bullshit.
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Rockie wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:44 am
rjguy wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:29 am
rotorspeed wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:24 pm It's all about control
I think it is more about killing free and open travel. Who in their right mind would travel to Canada and go through something like this. Next will be the forced digital vaccination record to travel. Concentrated effort to destroy the aviation industry out of fear from this inaccurate test.

Before you think of getting a”PCR test” or “vaccinated” you might want to watch this entire video.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/IJIoilKlUk1o/

My issue is still why are we using a test that is not accurate in anyway. Watch the video you might learn something.
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So you are ok with Google telling you what you can an can’t watch. You need YouTube to filter a narrative for all. Seems to me a free place to share ideas is a better place. Do you propose censorship or the free exchange of ideas even if they may be different than yours? If you got nothing from the video you are a sheep. I do believe the vaccine will cause long term autoimmune disease. I thought the video was good in explaining why.

Canada is backing down from the forced concentration camps due to public pressure https://www.jccf.ca/federal-government- ... itigation/ . How they thought this would be a good idea is crazy. Come to Canada we will force you to get tested twice and then lock you up. Oh and then charge you for your lockup. Do we live in a free society? Not if travel is being restricted. Guess this is a creative way to help the hotel industry at the backs of the airline industry.

Look up Covid stats for India. They have already won the battle against Covid. Now tell me why does Canada and the U.S. not even come close to the number of of Covid deaths per million to India. India is number 2 on the world list for number of cases. India actually helps patients fight Covid, along with families and communities with cheap drugs not allowed to even be discussed in North America.

But hey when you get sick let the Dr. give you Fauci’s recommended Remdisivir. Last I read was $2600 a treatment, highly toxic and the WHO says does not work and does not recommend.

Airline industry will go back to normal not with the vaccine but with treatment options the rest of the world have already proven are incredibly safe and work. My guess this will be April 2021 as first world countries can’t keep hiding these studies forever in our media.

But treatment is not allowed as if it exists we can not get emergency use authorization for vaccines.
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rjguy wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:52 am So you are ok with Google telling you what you can an can’t watch. You need YouTube to filter a narrative for all. Seems to me a free place to share ideas is a better place. Do you propose censorship or the free exchange of ideas even if they may be different than yours? If you got nothing from the video you are a sheep. I do believe the vaccine will cause long term autoimmune disease. I thought the video was good in explaining why.
The truth is good enough for me, and you clearly don't get the irony of someone who credulously believes every bit of quackery he reads on the internet calling anybody else "sheep".
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Gino Under wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:44 pm Covid isn’t a common cold. Give your head a shake.
You’re right, it isn’t the common cold. It’s a really bad cold that has done what really bad colds have always done; expedite the departure of those who were already on the verge of death and just making the rest of us miserable for two weeks. COVID, like climate change, is a moderate-sized issue that certain parties have used as a battering ram to push political agendas.
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Rockie wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:42 am
rjguy wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:52 am So you are ok with Google telling you what you can an can’t watch. You need YouTube to filter a narrative for all. Seems to me a free place to share ideas is a better place. Do you propose censorship or the free exchange of ideas even if they may be different than yours? If you got nothing from the video you are a sheep. I do believe the vaccine will cause long term autoimmune disease. I thought the video was good in explaining why.
The truth is good enough for me, and you clearly don't get the irony of someone who credulously believes every bit of quackery he reads on the internet calling anybody else "sheep".
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You think google and farcebook and YouTube are giving you the truth? You really are an idiot. Had you lived in Berlin circa 1945 you would have actually been surprised when the Russians rolled through the streets. You are easily programmed.
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tsgarp wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:05 am
Rockie wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:42 am
rjguy wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:52 am So you are ok with Google telling you what you can an can’t watch. You need YouTube to filter a narrative for all. Seems to me a free place to share ideas is a better place. Do you propose censorship or the free exchange of ideas even if they may be different than yours? If you got nothing from the video you are a sheep. I do believe the vaccine will cause long term autoimmune disease. I thought the video was good in explaining why.
The truth is good enough for me, and you clearly don't get the irony of someone who credulously believes every bit of quackery he reads on the internet calling anybody else "sheep".
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You think google and farcebook and YouTube are giving you the truth? You really are an idiot.
No I don't. Google and youtube are good for entertainment, I've never been on facebook, twitter or any of the other social media sites people substitute their brain for (aside from this one of course - also entertainment), and I don't get critical health or scientific information from conspiracy websites. As you say only an idiot would do that.

Like most I prefer important decision making be made by serious, intelligent science driven people who know more about these topics than I ever will. I do not want them made by morons whose brains feed exclusively off internet garbage. I'll leave it to you to figure out where you land in that assessment.
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Rockie wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:42 am
rjguy wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:52 am So you are ok with Google telling you what you can an can’t watch. You need YouTube to filter a narrative for all. Seems to me a free place to share ideas is a better place. Do you propose censorship or the free exchange of ideas even if they may be different than yours? If you got nothing from the video you are a sheep. I do believe the vaccine will cause long term autoimmune disease. I thought the video was good in explaining why.
The truth is good enough for me, and you clearly don't get the irony of someone who credulously believes every bit of quackery he reads on the internet calling anybody else "sheep".
Enlighten me then what is the truth. Is what Fauci says, the so called expert what you believe? Read up on the history of Fauci over the last 40 years.

Can you provide anything recent on PCR testing being even a useful tool on identifying positive Covid results? The WHO even says it is BS.

Are you in favor of the government requiring passengers to get two PCR tests, quarantine, and then pay for their lockup? Sounds like yes.

If you are in favor of what the government has done yes you are a sheep.

My guess is you never even watched the video beginning to end. Yes it is full of conspiracy type theories. The part on the vaccine causing autoimmune disease is interesting. Guess you will put your hand in the fire and get burned and get the shot first chance you can. Out of curiosity did you watch the entire video my guess is no.

Now we all have to install an app and fill out a form via the app to travel to Canada. Are you really fine with all of these new restrictions on travel? Is it even possible to travel to Canada without a smart phone?

Tourism is dead. It would not be dead if the government promoted and allowed treatment for Covid that again is proven to work everywhere else outside of North America. But hey if you believe the vaccine that will not prevent you from getting Covid nor prevent you from giving it to others is the solution I would love to read your sources enlighten me.
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rjguy wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:21 am Enlighten me then what is the truth.
42.
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rjguy wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:21 am Guess you will put your hand in the fire and get burned and get the shot first chance you can.
And there it is. I had a feeling some anti-vaxer bullshit was coming up. I was not disappointed.
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Rockie wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:14 am
tsgarp wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:05 am
Rockie wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:42 am

The truth is good enough for me, and you clearly don't get the irony of someone who credulously believes every bit of quackery he reads on the internet calling anybody else "sheep".
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You think google and farcebook and YouTube are giving you the truth? You really are an idiot.
No I don't. Google and youtube are good for entertainment, I've never been on facebook, twitter or any of the other social media sites people substitute their brain for (aside from this one of course - also entertainment), and I don't get critical health or scientific information from conspiracy websites. As you say only an idiot would do that.

Like most I prefer important decision making be made by serious, intelligent science driven people who know more about these topics than I ever will. I do not want them made by morons whose brains feed exclusively off internet garbage. I'll leave it to you to figure out where you land in that assessment.
Not all internet pages are created equal. I get most of my info from here:
https://ontariotechu.ca/sites/library/

There is more to life than CBC and David Suzuki.
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Rockie wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:25 am
rjguy wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:21 am Enlighten me then what is the truth.
42.
42 is Douglas Adams grotesque oversimplification of the Aristotle discussions on Questions , also hinted at but never debated in Hamlet .
That is the Answer to the question you asked .
A modern computer Guru might say garbage in , garbage out .
Although my favourite Douglas Adams quote is written on the front of the Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy “ Don’t Panic “ :)
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tsgarp wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:40 am There is more to life than CBC and David Suzuki.
Haha. To steal Aviatard's line, there it is. I knew hatred of David Suzuki was in there somewhere and you did not disappoint.
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Rockie wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:53 am
tsgarp wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:40 am There is more to life than CBC and David Suzuki.
Haha. To steal Aviatard's line, there it is. I knew hatred of David Suzuki was in there somewhere and you did not disappoint.
Wait, there's people out there who STILL like David Suzuki?! :lol:
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I can't count the times I've seen him in airports. He's likely spent more hours in planes than most of us. He owns several homes and vehicles and likely has a higher carbon footprint than most of us. He makes his millions off being a hypocrite.
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Inverted2 wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:43 am I can't count the times I've seen him in airports. He's likely spent more hours in planes than most of us. He owns several homes and vehicles and likely has a higher carbon footprint than most of us. He makes his millions off being a hypocrite.
I heard he has shares in a coal mine and owns a bunch of cows.
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Rockie wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:53 am
tsgarp wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:40 am There is more to life than CBC and David Suzuki.
Haha. To steal Aviatard's line, there it is. I knew hatred of David Suzuki was in there somewhere and you did not disappoint.
Hatred? No. A disagreement with his conclusions, well founded doubt regarding his qualifications to comment of planetary thermodynamics/economics and deep suspicions regarding his motivations, yes. This is one area where you and I differ dude; just because I disagree with someone doesn’t mean I hate them. The ability to separate affective response to someone from a cognitive response to their position is a mark of intellectual maturity. It is absent in you. Just for the record; my affective and cognitive response to you are the same; distain.
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PostmasterGeneral wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:12 am
Rockie wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:53 am
tsgarp wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:40 am There is more to life than CBC and David Suzuki.
Haha. To steal Aviatard's line, there it is. I knew hatred of David Suzuki was in there somewhere and you did not disappoint.
Wait, there's people out there who STILL like David Suzuki?! :lol:
As a nerdy, science loving kid growing up, I loved ‘The Nature of Things’. Suzuki has a real gift for making science compelling and comprehensible to the population at large. It’s a shame that he strayed so far from his area of strength.
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tsgarp wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:08 pm Just for the record; my affective and cognitive response to you are the same; distain.
Distain means to discolor, I think you meant disdain. Just for the record....
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