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Re: AC/TRZ Transaction Approved by TC - $5 per Share

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Ok, well fair points. However, altiplano, I wouldn't trust a f in word of what a CEO tells their employees in a public meeting, especially CR. I'm sure you get me here. That being said I have no idea how it bodes for both of us.

I'm going to hold to the narrowbody/slot ratio as my opinion. It is a fact, however, that it's a long term goal and this is factorially a short-mid adaptation to it.

LittleNelly, I thought we were having a discussion. You just twisted my words and you know it. Is there a point continuing if that the way it goes?
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800man wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:58 pm
LittleNelly, I thought we were having a discussion. You just twisted my words and you know it. Is there a point continuing if that the way it goes?
Cheers.

I neither twisted words nor took anything out of context. I simply quoted your entire statement admitting that this deal will in fact lead to job losses but that it wasn’t relevant to pilots.
People need to wake up and realize the costs to some people who will permanently loose their jobs over a merger. It doesn’t matter if they are pilots or not, whatever outcome provides the most jobs for everyone is the best course of action for the employees of both companies
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AC final decision on this transaction is now weeks or months away.

Seemingly, AC has resumed discussions with TRZ about possibly further modifying the already modified purchase agreement.

Secondly, terms of industry specific aid will have to be factored in. Likely weeks away.

Finally, AC will not close on the deal until EU approval is granted and associated conditions of approval are considered. Likely months away.

As I have suggested before - AC will be fine with or without this transaction. TRZ is on much less solid ground.

Long term, TRZ might preserve more jobs as an independent company. The more that AC is required to artificially preserve local employment levels as a condition of approval the less attractive the transaction will look.

I was 90:10 on the transaction bring consummated after the revised purchase agreement was reached. With the CDN approval conditions unveiled, yet unknown industry aid package, and likely EU approval conditions, I am 60:40. AC will not close on a deal that leaves it in any way compromised to compete or with a cost structure/debt load that is inconsistent with its long term objectives.
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Re: AC/TRZ Transaction Approved by TC - $5 per Share

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rudder wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:56 am AC final decision on this transaction is now weeks or months away.

Seemingly, AC has resumed discussions with TRZ about possibly further modifying the already modified purchase agreement.

Secondly, terms of industry specific aid will have to be factored in. Likely weeks away.

Finally, AC will not close on the deal until EU approval is granted and associated conditions of approval are considered. Likely months away.

As I have suggested before - AC will be fine with or without this transaction. TRZ is on much less solid ground.

Long term, TRZ might preserve more jobs as an independent company. The more that AC is required to artificially preserve local employment levels as a condition of approval the less attractive the transaction will look.

I was 90:10 on the transaction bring consummated after the revised purchase agreement was reached. With the CDN approval conditions unveiled, yet unknown industry aid package, and likely EU approval conditions, I am 60:40. AC will not close on a deal that leaves it in any way compromised to compete or with a cost structure/debt load that is inconsistent with its long term objectives.
Yep 100%. I think everyone on both sides would just like a decision one way or the other. The limbo of waiting for all the chips to fall is the toughest part.
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jpilot77 wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:07 am
rudder wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:56 am AC final decision on this transaction is now weeks or months away.

Seemingly, AC has resumed discussions with TRZ about possibly further modifying the already modified purchase agreement.

Secondly, terms of industry specific aid will have to be factored in. Likely weeks away.

Finally, AC will not close on the deal until EU approval is granted and associated conditions of approval are considered. Likely months away.

As I have suggested before - AC will be fine with or without this transaction. TRZ is on much less solid ground.

Long term, TRZ might preserve more jobs as an independent company. The more that AC is required to artificially preserve local employment levels as a condition of approval the less attractive the transaction will look.

I was 90:10 on the transaction bring consummated after the revised purchase agreement was reached. With the CDN approval conditions unveiled, yet unknown industry aid package, and likely EU approval conditions, I am 60:40. AC will not close on a deal that leaves it in any way compromised to compete or with a cost structure/debt load that is inconsistent with its long term objectives.
Yep 100%. I think everyone on both sides would just like a decision one way or the other. The limbo of waiting for all the chips to fall is the toughest part.
In the words of Tom Petty "the waiting is the hardest part".
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Just another canuck wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:02 pm I've paid very little attention over the past months. Working elsewhere so I'm good. I didn't want the merger. Transat was a better place to work. Period. But the writing was on the wall so I did want the merger for job security. Nothing else. If it happens, it happens. If not, so be it. But if it does, I'll spend the next 30 years laughing my way into the cockpit telling every AC guy how much better Transat was and how I'd rather still be there just to watch your big red heads explode. 😂😂 I wonder how long I could get away with a blue star on my flight bag?🤔😁
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Government intervention on the way! No way Quebec will let transat fail, or would they?
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Good luck guys.

Hopefully we see an industry aid package soon and PKP gets his act together and follows through on his offers to steady the TS course forward.
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aerodude wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:20 pm This deal is still far from finalized even with this announcement folks
Stand by......
There you go. As I said this was far from sealed. Seemed AC was tired of the government inaction and has decided to hand the feds the bag (no offense to TRZ).

This likely means a bailout is not coming for airlines.
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aerodude wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:26 pm
aerodude wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:20 pm This deal is still far from finalized even with this announcement folks
Stand by......
There you go. As I said this was far from sealed. Seemed AC was tired of the government inaction and has decided to hand the feds the bag (no offense to TRZ).

This likely means a bailout is not coming for airlines.
Did you read the two corporate press releases?

The EU would not agree to terms acceptable to AC.

This has nothing to do with the Feds.
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rudder wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:29 pm Did you read the two corporate press releases?

The EU would not agree to terms acceptable to AC.

This has nothing to do with the Feds.

Yes but I can say that’s the official excuse. Probably more behind the scenes talk that didn’t go too well.
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As I've repeated before, the EU was NEVER going to approve this deal. They have spent billions to bail out their own airlines and there is no way in hell that they would allow two airlines in Canada to merge, thus creating a monopoly on a series of city pairs that would hurt the very own European airlines that they had just bailed out.
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