BizJetjobs

[Otto Pilot]

Hello all! Just curious if any one is a member to BizJetjobs.com
Is it worth it? Pros and cons are appreciated!
Hope you all are staying safe and keeping busy.

[schnitzel2k3]

A personal opinion - if you are paying for a company to connect you with a company in corporate you are doing it wrong.

That being said, I have no experience with bizjetjobs.

[TrilliumFlt]

Another "personal" opinion; a site like that might put you into an entry level corporate position but the good positions don't need to "sell" themselves.

[schnitzel2k3]

Another "personal" opinion; a site like that might put you into an entry level corporate position but the good positions don't need to "sell" themselves.

Less opinion, more fact

[Otto Pilot]

A personal opinion - if you are paying for a company to connect you with a company in corporate you are doing it wrong.

That being said, I have no experience with bizjetjobs.

Definitely on your side. Was more of a is it worth it for the job search engine itself. The site hides which company is hiring and they never seem to be posted on here or PCC

[flyingjerry]

I've only had 1 bizjet job which I am now laid off from. However, I've debated using that site as well to find another job.
Think about what reason a company would have not to use regular job channels like Indeed,Monster, even AvCanada? I can't think of any. Maybe it's legit, but it won't be finding you a job on a Scotiabank jet.

[schnitzel2k3]

None of those websites will help you get that job. That's definitely a who you know, who you blow sort of job.

What you'll find on most websites are management company postings (Skyservice, Chartright, Execaire, etc.). Occasionally you'll see bigger flight departments throw out a teaser, but they already have someone in place.

Personal networking is the only way you'll get something longer term on the business side. I think most guys are just happy to have a seat nowadays. If you need a seat, just keep prodding, don't pay a website that likely will only feed you a lead when it's posted publicly anyways.

[wallypilot]

None of those websites will help you get that job. That's definitely a who you know, who you blow sort of job.

What you'll find on most websites are management company postings (Skyservice, Chartright, Execaire, etc.). Occasionally you'll see bigger flight departments throw out a teaser, but they already have someone in place.

Personal networking is the only way you'll get something longer term on the business side. I think most guys are just happy to have a seat nowadays. If you need a seat, just keep prodding, don't pay a website that likely will only feed you a lead when it's posted publicly anyways.

Yes, this.
Network, make connections. If you think you need this type of website, then you’re not where you need to be. I’ve had 3 corporate jobs over 15 years and each one was ONLY because of who I had met and kept in touch with along the way.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

None of those websites will help you get that job. That's definitely a who you know, who you blow sort of job.

What you'll find on most websites are management company postings (Skyservice, Chartright, Execaire, etc.). Occasionally you'll see bigger flight departments throw out a teaser, but they already have someone in place.

Personal networking is the only way you'll get something longer term on the business side. I think most guys are just happy to have a seat nowadays. If you need a seat, just keep prodding, don't pay a website that likely will only feed you a lead when it's posted publicly anyways.

Save management companies for a last resort, like if you can’t get a job at Tim Hortons or McDonald’s

[schnitzel2k3]

None of those websites will help you get that job. That's definitely a who you know, who you blow sort of job.

What you'll find on most websites are management company postings (Skyservice, Chartright, Execaire, etc.). Occasionally you'll see bigger flight departments throw out a teaser, but they already have someone in place.

Personal networking is the only way you'll get something longer term on the business side. I think most guys are just happy to have a seat nowadays. If you need a seat, just keep prodding, don't pay a website that likely will only feed you a lead when it's posted publicly anyways.

Save management companies for a last resort, like if you can’t get a job at Tim Hortons or McDonald’s

Lol. It's certainly a different experience working for the management company vs working directly with an ownership group or owner. If your news and decisions come from the management company then chaos typically ensues.

If you have some say/control in the day to day then it's certainly closer to optimal.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

None of those websites will help you get that job. That's definitely a who you know, who you blow sort of job.

What you'll find on most websites are management company postings (Skyservice, Chartright, Execaire, etc.). Occasionally you'll see bigger flight departments throw out a teaser, but they already have someone in place.

Personal networking is the only way you'll get something longer term on the business side. I think most guys are just happy to have a seat nowadays. If you need a seat, just keep prodding, don't pay a website that likely will only feed you a lead when it's posted publicly anyways.

Save management companies for a last resort, like if you can’t get a job at Tim Hortons or McDonald’s

Lol. It's certainly a different experience working for the management company vs working directly with an ownership group or owner. If your news and decisions come from the management company then chaos typically ensues.

If you have some say/control in the day to day then it's certainly closer to optimal.

“Management company’s” from my experience are the problem. Corporate flying should have an AOC and AMO for each client. It ain’t that hard. Having multiple companies and clients out of one operation is chaos. Anyways would you like fries with that?

[Galaxy]

Save management companies for a last resort, like if you can’t get a job at Tim Hortons or McDonald’s

Lol. It's certainly a different experience working for the management company vs working directly with an ownership group or owner. If your news and decisions come from the management company then chaos typically ensues.

If you have some say/control in the day to day then it's certainly closer to optimal.

“Management company’s” from my experience are the problem. Corporate flying should have an AOC and AMO for each client. It ain’t that hard. Having multiple companies and clients out of one operation is chaos. Anyways would you like fries with that?

The reason management companies are thriving are because of idiots like you thinking you can run a private operation.

[schnitzel2k3]

Save management companies for a last resort, like if you can’t get a job at Tim Hortons or McDonald’s

Lol. It's certainly a different experience working for the management company vs working directly with an ownership group or owner. If your news and decisions come from the management company then chaos typically ensues.

If you have some say/control in the day to day then it's certainly closer to optimal.

“Management company’s” from my experience are the problem. Corporate flying should have an AOC and AMO for each client. It ain’t that hard. Having multiple companies and clients out of one operation is chaos. Anyways would you like fries with that?

Agreed. Yes and I'll supersize.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Lol. It's certainly a different experience working for the management company vs working directly with an ownership group or owner. If your news and decisions come from the management company then chaos typically ensues.

If you have some say/control in the day to day then it's certainly closer to optimal.

“Management company’s” from my experience are the problem. Corporate flying should have an AOC and AMO for each client. It ain’t that hard. Having multiple companies and clients out of one operation is chaos. Anyways would you like fries with that?

The reason management companies are thriving are because of idiots like you thinking you can run a private operation.

That’s not exactly correct, and how does having a basic amo and aoc (for each client) make me an “idiot”? It caters to their needs DIRECTLY. Running more aircraft under one organization for multiple customers inflates each clients insurance just to start. I’ve been doing this a while and if you think it’s better, safer, and more cost effective under a management organization, with different aircraft and crew coming and going which is part of the insurance issue, sure I’ll bite, why?

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Lol. It's certainly a different experience working for the management company vs working directly with an ownership group or owner. If your news and decisions come from the management company then chaos typically ensues.

If you have some say/control in the day to day then it's certainly closer to optimal.

“Management company’s” from my experience are the problem. Corporate flying should have an AOC and AMO for each client. It ain’t that hard. Having multiple companies and clients out of one operation is chaos. Anyways would you like fries with that?

The reason management companies are thriving are because of idiots like you thinking you can run a private operation.

There are SEVERAL flight departments that do exactly that in Canada.

[Liftdump]

We operate a large cabin biz jet,on our own POC it really is not a big deal.Personally I agree 100% with Bug Stomper.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

We operate a large cabin biz jet,on our own POC it really is not a big deal.Personally I agree 100% with Bug Stomper.

It’s way simpler, and you’re in direct contact with the customer one on one, no middle man with inflated bills and confusing contracts and dispatch and multiple middle managers that are sold to clients with nothing to compare to. I know this situation personally as well Liftdump, very well . These larger corporations likely have no idea how to start or who to contact (pilots and ames) to get them going. That’s where management is sold on them and they just take it as is.

[Zaibatsu]

The reason management companies are thriving are because of idiots like you thinking you can run a private operation.

No it’s not! Sorry that you think that running a private operation is such a high water mark. I guess it is if you are basically shift manager at McDonalds for a management company, if that.

They are thriving for the same reason McDonalds or Amazon or Walmart are thriving. Low quality at cheap prices. Part of that is over working and under paying staff.

No fries for me, thanks.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

The reason management companies are thriving are because of idiots like you thinking you can run a private operation.

No it’s not! Sorry that you think that running a private operation is such a high water mark. I guess it is if you are basically shift manager at McDonalds for a management company, if that.

They are thriving for the same reason McDonalds or Amazon or Walmart are thriving. Low quality at cheap prices. Part of that is over working and under paying staff.

No fries for me, thanks.

Hit it right in the nailhead, work them till they drop, whip them for a little more production then they get the golden boot once they’re played out. Any company or area of industry that has high turnover is a red flag. That business model exists in (some) aircraft management companies to keep their overhead down rather than hiring help. They hold it (aircraft management) on a pedestal because it’s such a small niche, they don’t realize (or maybe they do) any Pilot and AME with any wherewithal and resources can start their own operation in under a couple months for under 10 grand for each customer. Funny that the connotation of Tim Hortons and McDonald’s aligns so well with that dark corner of the industry .Ya the fries suck but not as bad as the aforementioned lol