Countries better than Canada for flying?

[newlygrounded]

Since it's very apparent the government doesn't care about the airline industry or younger people (see housing) I'm wondering are there better countries to start a flying career in?

The US is a good Candidate but visa's are basically impossible to obtain now.

[mbav8r]

Since it's very apparent the government doesn't care about the airline industry or younger people (see housing) I'm wondering are there better countries to start a flying career in?

The US is a good Candidate but visa's are basically impossible to obtain now.

I don’t have any thoughts on where might be a better place to fly, I’ll just say this, thousands upon thousands of pilots are out of work right now. Airlines filing bankruptcy etc, not sure starting a career elsewhere is realistic but a person has to have hope I guess

[TrilliumFlt]

That's an easy answer.....NONE

[ReserveTank]

Since it's very apparent the government doesn't care about the airline industry or younger people (see housing) I'm wondering are there better countries to start a flying career in?

The US is a good Candidate but visa's are basically impossible to obtain now.

They're still letting the Aussies and a few others fly on their visas in the US. It represents a problem for unemployed US citizen pilots because they are essentially a foreigner taking up what should be job slots for Americans, not unlike the Sunwing TFW thing. I know of one airline that has almost 50 of them, and they won't go home. The Aussies use a Labor Condition Application, which doesn't require the employer to prove that US citizens are available to do the job, only that their employment won't affect that of their colleagues...But that is a false concept because the only work that the Aussies can do is in the US. They will be the first to agree to sink working conditions because of desperation. The unions really couldn't foresee it-OTOH the unions failed to produce "go home" language at every carrier that has hired the Aussies.

[tsgas]

Since it's very apparent the government doesn't care about the airline industry or younger people (see housing) I'm wondering are there better countries to start a flying career in?

The US is a good Candidate but visa's are basically impossible to obtain now.

The Puppy Mills have flooded the market with huge litters of new grads that are itching for flying jobs. Do you speak Chinese ?

[digits_]

If you are talking about the quality of the first aviation job (salary, vacation, benefits, equipement), then Europe is probably the best.

If you are talking about the chance of actually getting that first aviation job, Canada is really hard to beat...

[newlygrounded]

If you are talking about the quality of the first aviation job (salary, vacation, benefits, equipement), then Europe is probably the best.

If you are talking about the chance of actually getting that first aviation job, Canada is really hard to beat...

I thought the percentages of CPL holders with a job was about the same?

[valleyboy]

If you are low time pilot, meaning less than 5000 hours and yes likely greater than 1000, newbies are another item altogether but this is a transient industry in your early years. Now with global expansion it could now be more than leaving Toronto, your family and your girl/boy friend (oh my you mean I can jump directly into that dash-8) and instead of going to the wilds of NWO you might need to look at working in places like New Guinea. Going off-shore is the reality of today. Being the single guy/girl with no ties is also a reality.

I think the lesson learned is that airline life isn't as stable are people think and there has been very short term memory. It's always been such but never like this. Coming off the biggest boom to biggest but literally over night. The only glimpse of stability in freight operations. We all knew (mature pilots) the down turn was going to happen, just not at such a rate.

Displacing for work is the old norm becoming updated to present conditions of going more global.

[telex]

https://www.icao.int/safety/Pages/USOAP-Results.aspx

Go here and compare any countries you are interested in flying in with Canada.

There is always a price for going elsewhere.

[tsgas]

If you are low time pilot, meaning less than 5000 hours and yes likely greater than 1000, newbies are another item altogether but this is a transient industry in your early years. Now with global expansion it could now be more than leaving Toronto, your family and your girl/boy friend (oh my you mean I can jump directly into that dash-8) and instead of going to the wilds of NWO you might need to look at working in places like New Guinea. Going off-shore is the reality of today. Being the single guy/girl with no ties is also a reality.

I think the lesson learned is that airline life isn't as stable are people think and there has been very short term memory. It's always been such but never like this. Coming off the biggest boom to biggest but literally over night. The only glimpse of stability in freight operations. We all knew (mature pilots) the down turn was going to happen, just not at such a rate.

Displacing for work is the old norm becoming updated to present conditions of going more global.

Even the freight/cargo industry is looking less stable for up and coming pilots. Fed Ex is looking at flying modified ATR's with single pilots.

[Heliian]

Since it's very apparent the government doesn't care about the airline industry or younger people (see housing) I'm wondering are there better countries to start a flying career in?

The US is a good Candidate but visa's are basically impossible to obtain now.

You mean the same government that is going to bail air canada out, again.?

Housing? Where? Have you even left southern ontario before?

The whole world's airline industries have be decimated by the pandemic, it's not just here.

You want a job, you go out and get a job, don't expect shit to be handed down to you on a silver platter.

[mbav8r]

Since it's very apparent the government doesn't care about the airline industry or younger people (see housing) I'm wondering are there better countries to start a flying career in?

The US is a good Candidate but visa's are basically impossible to obtain now.

You mean the same government that is going to bail air canada out, again.?

Housing? Where? Have you even left southern ontario before?

The whole world's airline industries have be decimated by the pandemic, it's not just here.

You want a job, you go out and get a job, don't expect shit to be handed down to you on a silver platter.

Why don’t you provide some proof that Air Canada has been “bailed” out before!
A loan paid back with interest is not a bailout

[tsgas]

Since it's very apparent the government doesn't care about the airline industry or younger people (see housing) I'm wondering are there better countries to start a flying career in?

The US is a good Candidate but visa's are basically impossible to obtain now.

You mean the same government that is going to bail air canada out, again.?

Housing? Where? Have you even left southern ontario before?

The whole world's airline industries have be decimated by the pandemic, it's not just here.

You want a job, you go out and get a job, don't expect shit to be handed down to you on a silver platter.

Why don’t you provide some proof that Air Canada has been “bailed” out before!
A loan paid back with interest is not a bailout

Especially when the government forces the company to cancel flights to southern destinations , then forces them to give cash refunds and fly to unprofitable Canadian destinations. With friends like that , the Canadian airline industry certainly doesn't need any enemies.

[valleyboy]

Fed Ex is looking at flying modified ATR's with single pilots.

That is going to take a while and will it ever effect Canada since I don't think it would be that easy to get approval here. The whole SP process will be time consuming with FDT at night maybe being restrictive enough to cause a crew change. The economics of SP go out the door then.

The one thing you will see is the dumping of low yield routes which will impact the dash8 group. Route selection and servicing will be a lot more conservative than in the past almost drunken expansion.

[tsgas]

Fed Ex is looking at flying modified ATR's with single pilots.

That is going to take a while and will it ever effect Canada since I don't think it would be that easy to get approval here. The whole SP process will be time consuming with FDT at night maybe being restrictive enough to cause a crew change. The economics of SP go out the door then.

The one thing you will see is the dumping of low yield routes which will impact the dash8 group. Route selection and servicing will be a lot more conservative than in the past almost drunken expansion.

"That is going to take a while" , so will the Global recovery of aviation. The glory days of the 200 hr wonder jumping into the right seat of a DH 8 are gone for now. Drones are already replacing some pilots in the military.

The former railway workers never believed that the caboose crews would be replaced with modern technology. So when the FAA certifies the ATR modified aircraft for single pilot operations , Transport Canada would be in a difficult position trying to ban them in Canada. Boeing and Airbus have been working on and flying jet airliners that could someday be certified for single pilot operations.

[newlygrounded]

Since it's very apparent the government doesn't care about the airline industry or younger people (see housing) I'm wondering are there better countries to start a flying career in?

The US is a good Candidate but visa's are basically impossible to obtain now.

You mean the same government that is going to bail air canada out, again.?

Housing? Where? Have you even left southern ontario before?

The whole world's airline industries have be decimated by the pandemic, it's not just here.

You want a job, you go out and get a job, don't expect shit to be handed down to you on a silver platter.

Have you noticed most airline bases are in areas with insane housing costs? Where did I ask to be handed something? I just feel the future is bleak here and I'm looking for advice, not for clueless people to take their anger out.

[“Bob”]

Since it's very apparent the government doesn't care about the airline industry or younger people (see housing) I'm wondering are there better countries to start a flying career in?

The US is a good Candidate but visa's are basically impossible to obtain now.

You mean the same government that is going to bail air canada out, again.?

Housing? Where? Have you even left southern ontario before?

The whole world's airline industries have be decimated by the pandemic, it's not just here.

You want a job, you go out and get a job, don't expect shit to be handed down to you on a silver platter.

Have you noticed most airline bases are in areas with insane housing costs? Where did I ask to be handed something? I just feel the future is bleak here and I'm looking for advice, not for clueless people to take their anger out.

This isn’t a problem exclusive to Canada. Hong Kong and Dubai and London and New York aren’t exactly cheap to live in, either.

Maybe instead of changing countries, you need to change locations within your own country?

Maybe instead of airlines, you need to find a flying job that isn’t airlines?

So my advice would be to get out of the city and out of a flying job that ebbs and flows with consumer spending and travel restrictions (which aren’t a new thing or anything specific to Canada).

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Since it's very apparent the government doesn't care about the airline industry or younger people (see housing) I'm wondering are there better countries to start a flying career in?

The US is a good Candidate but visa's are basically impossible to obtain now.

You mean the same government that is going to bail air canada out, again.?

Housing? Where? Have you even left southern ontario before?

The whole world's airline industries have be decimated by the pandemic, it's not just here.

You want a job, you go out and get a job, don't expect shit to be handed down to you on a silver platter.

Have you noticed most airline bases are in areas with insane housing costs? Where did I ask to be handed something? I just feel the future is bleak here and I'm looking for advice, not for clueless people to take their anger out.

Go try a business management company. I think that area is the only one area not as hard hit, it’s not enjoyable for some people and you’re on call 24/7 and it’s not for everyone be forewarned and do your research. The ones that are always hiring even in this climate should be a good indicator of things, but likely your best option right now in Canada. Otherwise, look north NWT NUNAVUT NUNAVIK AND YUKON. Sorry for the caps, as for other countries Australia and especially NZ are great depending on what you’re going for, and if you get In financial trouble PNG is right next door lol. Japan JAL would be good but I have no idea how they’re doing right now.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

If you are talking about the quality of the first aviation job (salary, vacation, benefits, equipement), then Europe is probably the best.

If you are talking about the chance of actually getting that first aviation job, Canada is really hard to beat...

That’s true and why the world comes here to get experience, we’re very third world lol

[newlygrounded]

You mean the same government that is going to bail air canada out, again.?

Housing? Where? Have you even left southern ontario before?

The whole world's airline industries have be decimated by the pandemic, it's not just here.

You want a job, you go out and get a job, don't expect shit to be handed down to you on a silver platter.

Have you noticed most airline bases are in areas with insane housing costs? Where did I ask to be handed something? I just feel the future is bleak here and I'm looking for advice, not for clueless people to take their anger out.

Go try a business management company. I think that area is the only one area not as hard hit, it’s not enjoyable for some people and you’re on call 24/7 and it’s not for everyone be forewarned and do your research. The ones that are always hiring even in this climate should be a good indicator of things, but likely your best option right now in Canada. Otherwise, look north NWT NUNAVUT NUNAVIK AND YUKON. Sorry for the caps, as for other countries Australia and especially NZ are great depending on what you’re going for, and if you get In financial trouble PNG is right next door lol. Japan JAL would be good but I have no idea how they’re doing right now.

Thanks for the advice!

[Kejidog]

So have you finished your flying lessons yet? The last time I replied to you you were crying about giving up and how hard it was and how hard done by you are. Has this situation changed?

So are you a pilot looking for work seriously; or a troll looking for the easiest least amount of work path to a flying job?

I would suggest applying yourself with some work ethic. Hellian was right in his advice.

You in a forum of pilots with thousands of hours who have lost carriers because of this COVID clusterfuck and you’re crying poor me looking for the easy way? How easy do you think it is to emigrate? Have you even looked at this?

Do you honestly think that you have it harder than anyone else has had it, on here?
Maybe look up Piloty on here if you want to learn what a good attitude seems to be. He’s (she) gonna be successful I would guess just from from the way he (she)presents himself (herself) in writing. To be successful you should emulate successful people


I think maybe you should just apply yourself do the hard work and maybe just maybe, someone my see your stellar potential and let you work loading freight and fuelling planes after several hours perhaps years of doing this you might get the opportunity to fly a plane or two. As far as I can see this is how a lot of people have got to where they are today. Not everyone gets to start at the top as you seem to think that you’re entitled to. Everyone has had it hard. Every generation thinks it is so special, yours especially(whatever it is)

[DadoBlade]

Seems that getting a good commercial pilot job in your country of birth is kinda difficult. IF YOU ARE QUALIFIED:...Be a plumber in your home town? Kinda easy. Hang drywall in your home town? Kinda easy. Landscaper? Baker? Nurse? EMT? Police person? Police love local guys and gals. Be an automotive technician in your home town? Kinda easy. Be a lawyer in any of the 11 major cities in Canada? Kinda easy. Be a doctor in any of the 11 major cities of Canada? Kinda easy. Wanna be a commercial pilot in any of the 11 major cities in Canada? Kinda difficult. People on this forum say "Got a license? ..try Papua New Guinea or Japan. Mauritius comes to mind.." Wanna go to Inuvik for 3 years?.. Crikey mate! Hell on toast! Be a dentist instead! Drive for FedEx, be anything BUT a commercial pilot, especially if you want to live within a 500 nautical mile radius of your home town. GAWD! What a country!

[tsgas]

Seems that getting a good commercial pilot job in your country of birth is kinda difficult. IF YOU ARE QUALIFIED:...Be a plumber in your home town? Kinda easy. Hang drywall in your home town? Kinda easy. Landscaper? Baker? Nurse? EMT? Police person? Police love local guys and gals. Be an automotive technician in your home town? Kinda easy. Be a lawyer in any of the 11 major cities in Canada? Kinda easy. Be a doctor in any of the 11 major cities of Canada? Kinda easy. Wanna be a commercial pilot in any of the 11 major cities in Canada? Kinda difficult. People on this forum say "Got a license? ..try Papua New Guinea or Japan. Mauritius comes to mind.." Wanna go to Inuvik for 3 years?.. Crikey mate! Hell on toast! Be a dentist instead! Drive for FedEx, be anything BUT a commercial pilot, especially if you want to live within a 500 nautical mile radius of your home town. GAWD! What a country!

Having a high school education and 200 hrs of flying time doesn't even began to compare to being a doctor. The Puppy Mills stroked your ego and took your money, sucker.

[Eric Janson]

Since it's very apparent the government doesn't care about the airline industry or younger people (see housing) I'm wondering are there better countries to start a flying career in?

The US is a good Candidate but visa's are basically impossible to obtain now.

As a Canadian citizen you can't even travel to a lot of countries right now - let alone try to find employment.

There are lots of laid off Pilots in these countries as well - you will be at the end of a very long line of people.

Then you have all the laid off Expats looking for work.

Suggest you go North and work your way up - a lot of us on this Forum started that way.

[newlygrounded]

Since it's very apparent the government doesn't care about the airline industry or younger people (see housing) I'm wondering are there better countries to start a flying career in?

The US is a good Candidate but visa's are basically impossible to obtain now.

As a Canadian citizen you can't even travel to a lot of countries right now - let alone try to find employment.

There are lots of laid off Pilots in these countries as well - you will be at the end of a very long line of people.

Then you have all the laid off Expats looking for work.

Suggest you go North and work your way up - a lot of us on this Forum started that way.

I would but feel there is a 110% chance I'd be the guy whose still working the ramp 3years later and going to be an of "soon"